Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
I'm not sure I can help. I don't have a spreadsheet of the facts or the patience for an argument. I have completely cut off these kinds of debates in my personal life because it has nothing to do with who's right, but with who's more emotional. And if you're ever debating with somebody who cares about actual fact, it's never really a debate for long

But a few snippets
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- US spends nearly double every other modern nation on healthcare, yet it performs below them all. Double digit percentages of citizens are uninsured or declare bankruptcy due to cost every year. All other modern nations don't have these problems
Yeah, we spend waaaay too much. There's no good reason for this. None.

- Obama's reform is more right-wing and less "radical" than Romney's or Dole's or the entire GOP's policy of fifteen years ago. The rhetoric and policy change is a product of political maneuvering against non-GOP and corporate financial takeover of political financing. They don't give a fuck about the citizens of this country, only their bank accounts. Rich People 101: Fuck the poor. Rich People 102: Convince the poor that they're not really poor when they fight each other for the scraps
Politics aside, I don't give a shit about its popularity or position in the political space, it is what it is. So what is it?

- If you use the word "Obamacare" you may be the toughest kid at the jungle gym, but you have no understanding of politics and would do best to shut up and listen to people who aren't paid to lie for a living
Nah, I'll rebrand it - grassroots style.

- It is not government run care, but government insured care. Like uber popular and effective Medicare and Medicaid. The only people who get between you and your doctor are insurance companies, and they're expert at it. They're so good that they've convinced half the country that when they shove their dicks up our asses, we're supposed to like it
Knew this. Only sanctioned it off for the next section.

- Universal health coverage is AMAZING for small businesses. The facts are that when everybody is covered and administrative costs are controlled, cost goes down. US pays substantially more than any other modern nation and covers fewer people for the sole purpose of insurance companies raking in overwhelming profits.
I want to hear everything about this.