Hey Ensign

[swiggidy]

CHANGE YOUR SIG!!!

[UG]

He will forever be in denial. In his world Mario Williams > everyone else in the 2006 draft.

Obviously, he lives on another planet or something.


Deal with it.

[bigspenda73]

He and I both live on this planet, it's called Texas and it would blow your shit up if it wanted to.

[WildBobAA]

ensign is the biggest homer on the face of the earth

the texans could go 0-16 for the next 10 years, mario williams could have 0 sacks while reggie bush rushes for 20K yards and he would still believe williams was the better pick

[lolzzz_321]

ensign is the biggest homer on the face of the earth

the texans could go 0-16 for the next 10 years, mario williams could have 0 sacks while reggie bush rushes for 20K yards and he would still believe williams was the better pick

[WildBobAA]

triptanes, i'm getting bioshock over madden

[lolzzz_321]

[kmind]

Williams was the best pick. I am completely on Ensign's side. Keep the sig man.

EDIT: Should I mention how big of an NC State fan I am

[bigspenda73]

Sig may not be the best but his Super Mario avatar is awesome!

[swiggidy]

Sig may not be the best but his Super Mario avatar is awesome!

This I agree with

It's not just that it's wrong, it's that it's outdated (like week 2 from last year)

[ensign_lee]

He and I both live on this planet, it's called Texas and it would blow your shit up if it wanted to.

[ensign_lee]

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap?...2007&week=PRE3

NA NA NA FUCKING NA!!!

WOoooooooh!

[kmind]

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap?game_id=29492&displayPage=tab_recap&season=2 007&week=PRE3

NA NA NA FUCKING NA!!!

WOoooooooh!

Williams and crew took over

[WildBobAA]

OMG TEXANS OWN PRESEASON NFL

[ensign_lee]

OMG TEXANS OWN THE COWBOYS WHO "ALWAYS PLAY HARD"

fyp

And lol at the Texans 2nd string Defense picking off Tony Romo and the Cowboys having their first string in there for two extra series compared to the Texans

[swiggidy]

Maybe you could make your sig:
Texas 28-Dallas 16

at least it would be current

[WildBobAA]

How about "Kris Brown, 2007 NFL PRESEASON LEADER IN KICKOFF YARDAGE!!!! YEA"

[ensign_lee]

Maybe you could make your sig:
Texas 28-Dallas 16

at least it would be current

Ok, just for you.

[lolzzz_321]

u gonna be at the opener? I will

[bigspenda73]

trip, where's my ticket?

[a500lbgorilla]

Hey Texans, how'd Reggie Bush/Vince Young pan out for you guys?

[bigspenda73]

Hey Texans, how'd Reggie Bush/Vince Young pan out for you guys?

Not bad, Reggie's put up so nice number for us and Vince will be ready in a few years to replace Shaub. I like the fact that we picked both of them up, makes up for a few poor decisions in the past.

[bigspenda73]

oh yea,

fuckinmotherfukcinpieceofshitfrontofficedecisionsf uckmeintheasswhatthefuckhowdoyoupassuponfuckingvin ceyounglikedumbpiecesofshitthatmakemewanttokillmys elfeverydamndaybecauseofit

aments

[bigred]

triptanes, i'm getting bioshock over madden

Can I come over?

[ensign_lee]

Oh hellz yes I'll be at the opener.

And, for you, 'rilla:

Reggie Bush? Why would we need Reggie Bush? We have Jacoby Jones.

Vince Young? Since when does VY fit the mold of a WC QB?

[WildBobAA]

triptanes, i'm getting bioshock over madden

Can I come over?

yes

[a500lbgorilla]

Oh hellz yes I'll be at the opener.

And, for you, 'rilla:

Reggie Bush? Why would we need Reggie Bush? We have Jacoby Jones.

Vince Young? Since when does VY fit the mold of a WC QB?

I think your blood runs a little TOO thick with Texans colors.

[ensign_lee]

Oh hellz yes I'll be at the opener.

And, for you, 'rilla:

Reggie Bush? Why would we need Reggie Bush? We have Jacoby Jones.

Vince Young? Since when does VY fit the mold of a WC QB?

I think your blood runs a little TOO thick with Texans colors.

I BLEED BATTLE RED!!!

[swiggidy]

Maybe you could make your sig:
Texas 28-Dallas 16

at least it would be current

Ok, just for you.

[blackatom]

Difficult to compare 3 different positions, but lets think about all of these 3 years for rookies -

Reggie Bush: Rush-565YD/6TD Rec-742YD/2TD
Vince Young: Pass-2199YD/12TD/13INT Rush-552YD/7TD
Mario Williams: 35 Tackles/12 Assists/4.5 Sacks/1 ForcedFumble

In all honesty, the learning curve for a DE in the NFL is much sharper than for a RB/WR but I mean come on. I am a Steeler fan so I have no predisposition to any of this shit. Any of the three picks seem to be an improvement over the past, but based on last years performance as well as possible upside, I would definitely have to put "Super Mario" at the bottom of the three.
Sorry Ensign, you got hosed.
The Texans of course defended their pick: "Texans GM Charley Casserly stated that while he believes both Reggie Bush and Vince Young will make excellent pros, the Texans chose to improve defensively."
Judging by years past, the Texans needed help, and it wasn't DE...
Reggie Bush was a rookie scatback that gained over 1300 yards.
Vince Young was a rookie scrambling quarterback that won the AP NFL offensive rookie of the year.
Mario Williams was a rookie 1st overall pick that had par(at best) stats for a rookie DE.

Long winded, check. Correct, check.

[ensign_lee]

That's a crackshit comparison.

Reggie Bush in his own "Dance around like an idiot" running style compiled a whopping 3.6 ypc. Whoop dee dooh. In the Denver one cut and go style, I bet he would have gotten blasted behind the line of scrimmage even more often. Remember my old sig? A bunch of rushes for negative yardage?

Vince Young is also a completely different type of QB than is needed for a WCO to operate properly. At UT, we had to change out entire offense just so that he could do what he does best. At Tennessee, they had to do the same thing. The Texans hired a coach based on his pedigree and his expertise in teaching zone blocking running and West Coast Passing. Vince Young would be throwing even more interceptions than he already had if he had been with the Texans...that is if he would have started. Whoop dee yay bottom 5 in yards per pass, completion percentage (barely above 50%), and passer rating. Oh, but wait...he can run. That makes it ALL better...

We don't even have to compare Mario Williams. Let's compare third round pick Jacoby Jones.

Jacoby Jones can do everything Reggie Bush can do...but better. And we didn't have to worry about paying him #1 overall money. Woohoo! I'd say that the Texans owned it up on that deal.

[WildBobAA]

Yep, because all Reggie Bush does is run, he never catches a shitload of passes or anything...

And you forgot the most important stat when talking about Vince Young: wins. The guy inherits an 0-3 team, steps in and goes 8-5 as a starter. In the NFL winning is by far the most important "stat".

[WildBobAA]

We don't even have to compare Mario Williams.

No we don't because he's so far below Bush and Young that he's irrelivant to this conversation.

[mcatdog]

And you forgot the most important stat when talking about Vince Young: wins. The guy inherits an 0-3 team, steps in and goes 8-5 as a starter. In the NFL winning is by far the most important "stat".

Two or three of those wins were flukes. The Titans are going to be a 5-11 team this year, just watch.

[UG]

And you forgot the most important stat when talking about Vince Young: wins. The guy inherits an 0-3 team, steps in and goes 8-5 as a starter. In the NFL winning is by far the most important "stat".

Two or three of those wins were flukes. The Titans are going to be a 5-11 team this year, just watch.

He's on the cover of Madden, too, so watch out for a broken leg or something as well.



Ensign -- Have you ever heard the phrase, "seeing the world through rose colored glasses?" Just curious.

[WildBobAA]

And you forgot the most important stat when talking about Vince Young: wins. The guy inherits an 0-3 team, steps in and goes 8-5 as a starter. In the NFL winning is by far the most important "stat".

Two or three of those wins were flukes. The Titans are going to be a 5-11 team this year, just watch.

Oh, there a 3rd place team in their division I'm not arguing that. Vince just has an abysmal supporting class.

[bigspenda73]

Yea, a ways away from being a playoff contender but I don't put much past Vince anymore.

[ensign_lee]

Yep, because all Reggie Bush does is run, he never catches a shitload of passes or anything...

And you forgot the most important stat when talking about Vince Young: wins. The guy inherits an 0-3 team, steps in and goes 8-5 as a starter. In the NFL winning is by far the most important "stat".

Oh, right. RB's are supposed to catch passes, not run the ball. Oh, wait; those are WR's.

And oh yeah. VY plays defense too. It wasn't his defense (or even Pacman) that picked off Eli Manning in that ridonkulous win. It was obviously Vince channeling his spirit through them. And it's not like he was throwing passes to anybody else; he was just throwing them to himself. VY passes to VY, TD!!! Oh wait...that's not true either.

Whoop dee yay.

Mario >>> Bush.
In fact, Jacoby Jones >>> Bush.

Mario >>> VY? Time will tell.

[bigspenda73]

Lee, what does Mario need to do this year? Is he at least healthier? Just seemed like he is a step slower than most of the pass-rushing DE's like Taylor, Freeney, Peppers...etc. I know he's bigger, but it wasn't like he was stopping the run either.

Okoye gonna help? I think they really need a big DT to step up and force some doubles to free up Mario, Babin, and Demeco to get to the QB. It just wasn't happening enough last year.

[lolzzz_321]

Tamba Hali > Mario Williams!?!?!?

Had 65 tackles (55 solo), a tackle for loss, four QB pressures, an INT, two passes defensed, six forced fumbles and a fumble recovery … Recorded a team-high 8.0 sacks

[blackatom]

Yep, because all Reggie Bush does is run, he never catches a shitload of passes or anything...

And you forgot the most important stat when talking about Vince Young: wins. The guy inherits an 0-3 team, steps in and goes 8-5 as a starter. In the NFL winning is by far the most important "stat".

Oh, right. RB's are supposed to catch passes, not run the ball. Oh, wait; those are WR's.

And oh yeah. VY plays defense too. It wasn't his defense (or even Pacman) that picked off Eli Manning in that ridonkulous win. It was obviously Vince channeling his spirit through them. And it's not like he was throwing passes to anybody else; he was just throwing them to himself. VY passes to VY, TD!!! Oh wait...that's not true either.

Whoop dee yay.

Mario >>> Bush.
In fact, Jacoby Jones >>> Bush.

Mario >>> VY? Time will tell.

Obv. you see something in Jacoby Jones that nobody else does...........
Including every other coach, scout and gm in the league.

[bigspenda73]

Yep, because all Reggie Bush does is run, he never catches a shitload of passes or anything...

And you forgot the most important stat when talking about Vince Young: wins. The guy inherits an 0-3 team, steps in and goes 8-5 as a starter. In the NFL winning is by far the most important "stat".

Oh, right. RB's are supposed to catch passes, not run the ball. Oh, wait; those are WR's.

And oh yeah. VY plays defense too. It wasn't his defense (or even Pacman) that picked off Eli Manning in that ridonkulous win. It was obviously Vince channeling his spirit through them. And it's not like he was throwing passes to anybody else; he was just throwing them to himself. VY passes to VY, TD!!! Oh wait...that's not true either.

Whoop dee yay.

Mario >>> Bush.
In fact, Jacoby Jones >>> Bush.

Mario >>> VY? Time will tell.

Obv. you see something in Jacoby Jones that nobody else does...........
Including every other coach, scout and gm in the league.

Obv you haven't watched him play yet

[LimpinAintEZ]

sorry to butt in but here is my 2cents - The only way to decide who is better is which one has been involved in a scandal - See, only the superstars are ever involved in scandals because they are the only newsworthy players - SO, since Bush has already been involved in a scandal, he wins IMO

[UG]

I'm reading about this Jacoby Jones character but I've never heard of him. WTF makes him so special, and how on earth can he be better than Bush? Rose....colored.....glasses.....or am I totally missing something. Enlighten me please.

And Ensign, you keep throwing that 3.6 yards per rush stat around, but I think in the last 8 games or so he was at least a yard better than that. You also state "ohh he catches passes aren't WR's supposed to do that?" Well, two of the greatest offenses in the last ten years or so had pass-catching backs. St. Louis Rams with Marshall Faulk and the Kansas City Chiefs with Priest Holmes. Both of those players racked up yards by running *and* catching the ball (much like Bush will do now that he'll get even more touches this year), and they helped their offenses become some of the best ever because they opened up things for everyone else....

[bigspenda73]

Those 2 backs were every-down rb's though, or am I mistaken?

Bush is a specialty players, defenses have to adjust solely to him and where he lines up. That's pretty invaluable to me.

PLUS he has an awesome offense around him already. The WR core and Brees and Deuce make it a great situation for him.

[bigred]

TOM BRADY

[LimpinAintEZ]

TOM BRADY

random....and yet, so spot on....

[ensign_lee]

I'm reading about this Jacoby Jones character but I've never heard of him. WTF makes him so special, and how on earth can he be better than Bush? Rose....colored.....glasses.....or am I totally missing something. Enlighten me please.

And Ensign, you keep throwing that 3.6 yards per rush stat around, but I think in the last 8 games or so he was at least a yard better than that. You also state "ohh he catches passes aren't WR's supposed to do that?" Well, two of the greatest offenses in the last ten years or so had pass-catching backs. St. Louis Rams with Marshall Faulk and the Kansas City Chiefs with Priest Holmes. Both of those players racked up yards by running *and* catching the ball (much like Bush will do now that he'll get even more touches this year), and they helped their offenses become some of the best ever because they opened up things for everyone else....

Go look at what he's done so far. Just type in Jacoby Jones into the NFL.com highlights. He's a third round rookie that can do everything that Bush can do, but better. Oh, and he won't cost hte hellacious cap hit that Bush does.

As for a > 3.6 ypc over the last 8 games, well...we can just throw out games in which Bush performed poorly because well, he's Reggie Bush? Yes, believe the ESPN hype.

And funny thing that you bring up Faulk and Holmes; you see, they actually had more carries than receptions: something that RB's by their very nature should have. But Bush? Oh no, completely reversed: and it's not even close.

Bush couldn't have gone into a better system for him: an already established running back in front of him, great WR's for his QB to throw the ball to, a great QB (although in fairness, the Saints were rolling the dice on Brees at the time): all factors that occupy the defense while "Bush does his thang."

You can't remotely compare Reggie Bush getting into the perfect situation vs. Mario Williams going into a defense that had never before run a 4-3, and had never before had a true 4-3 DE before.

[UG]

Where did Jacoby Jones come from (college)?

I'll be on the look-out for him this year, especially early on.



I smell a prop bet on number of yards....Reggie vs. Jacoby.



P.S. I hope Mario does well for himself.....but damn, Reggie or Vince instead of him.......or even Leinert......damn.

[ensign_lee]

Changed it again for you, swig.

[swiggidy]

thanks, this thread is sucking hard

[WildBobAA]

I want to hear Ensign's prediction on the Texans' record this year.

[ensign_lee]

9-7, 10-6. Squeaking into the playoffs or just barely missing.

[WildBobAA]

I'll bet you $100 they don't make the playoffs, I'll lay you 3-1

[ensign_lee]

lol, you'll need way more than 3:1 if you want to compete with the odds that sportsbooks have up.

I'm a homer, but I'm a homer who knows how to line shop.

Texans +2800 to win the AFC South FTW!

[mcatdog]

I don't know much about Mario Williams, but Reggie Bush really isn't a very good running back at all. I don't understand why ensign_lee got so much grief for the Williams > Bush signature, we should be making fun of Williams > Young instead because Vince Young is actually a good player in the NFL.

[WildBobAA]

lol, you'll need way more than 3:1 if you want to compete with the odds that sportsbooks have up.

I'm a homer, but I'm a homer who knows how to line shop.

Texans +2800 to win the AFC South FTW!

The way you're talking it sounds like they are no more than a 2:1 dog to make it.

[ensign_lee]

That's because those are the true odds, Bob!

and mcatdog: ty.

[bigspenda73]

I'm gonna be conservative and go with 11-5, I'd like to say 12-4 but, meh, 11-5 sounds right.

[bigred]

pats 16-0

[ensign_lee]

Lee, what does Mario need to do this year? Is he at least healthier? Just seemed like he is a step slower than most of the pass-rushing DE's like Taylor, Freeney, Peppers...etc. I know he's bigger, but it wasn't like he was stopping the run either.

Okoye gonna help? I think they really need a big DT to step up and force some doubles to free up Mario, Babin, and Demeco to get to the QB. It just wasn't happening enough last year.

Completely missed this post. He needs to just get pissed off sometimes. The difference in his play when he's pissed off and reacting off instinct and when he's not and he's thinking about what he's doing is enormous.

And he actually IS good at stopping the run; so far, that's been superior to his pass-rushing skills.

Okoye will take time to develop, but he's more of hte penetrating type of DT. We'll have to see what happens this year.

[WildBobAA]

That's because those are the true odds, Bob!

and mcatdog: ty.

So if those are the true odds, and I'm giving you better than those odds, it's a good bet for you, no?

[WildBobAA]

Also, Lions Prediction:

5-11, we might get 3rd in our division ahead of the Vikings

[bigred]

Send the vikings on a party boat cruise as a guarantee?

[Lukie]

9-7, 10-6. Squeaking into the playoffs or just barely missing.

there are 2 teams in your division that are clearly better than the texans. they play in the AFC. plus side: they are matched up with the pathetic NFC south.

I say 6-10. I feel I am being generous.

at the very least, Mario Williams has not turned out to be a good #1 pick thus far, the least you can do is acknowledge that. The guy is lucky to be alive (he was taped at doing like 150?? mph on the freeway last year), and he hasn't really performed on the field. I watched a little bit of the Texans last year, and it seemed like the tackle would always handle him 1 on 1 with ease.

[ensign_lee]

That's because those are the true odds, Bob!

and mcatdog: ty.

So if those are the true odds, and I'm giving you better than those odds, it's a good bet for you, no?

It would be. But +2800 is an even BETTER bet. So why would i take your bet when I could have that bet?

[ensign_lee]

9-7, 10-6. Squeaking into the playoffs or just barely missing.

there are 2 teams in your division that are clearly better than the texans. they play in the AFC. plus side: they are matched up with the pathetic NFC south.

I say 6-10. I feel I am being generous.

at the very least, Mario Williams has not turned out to be a good #1 pick thus far, the least you can do is acknowledge that. The guy is lucky to be alive (he was taped at doing like 150?? mph on the freeway last year), and he hasn't really performed on the field. I watched a little bit of the Texans last year, and it seemed like the tackle would always handle him 1 on 1 with ease.

Which teams would that be? Colts, perhaps. The Jaguars? They're one of the only teams that the Texans hold a winning record over, and that was when we sucked. The Texans own the Jaguars. The Titans? Yeah, that's not true either.

And 1 pick does not make a team. Let's say the worst case scenario happens and Mario doesn't pan out at all. There's still the entire rest of the team to contend with, and our drafts have done well at picking out starters under Kubiak.

[WildBobAA]

That's because those are the true odds, Bob!

and mcatdog: ty.

So if those are the true odds, and I'm giving you better than those odds, it's a good bet for you, no?

It would be. But +2800 is an even BETTER bet. So why would i take your bet when I could have that bet?

B/c a +EV bet is a +EV bet. + you would have bragging rights

[WildBobAA]

And if someone offered you free money, why wouldn't you take it?

[ensign_lee]

Lol. I'm not giving you super + odds.

I'd take the +++EV bet over the +EV bet anyday.

Good try though.

[WildBobAA]

Good try though.

Try? What am I "trying" to do? You believe that the odds that the texans make the playoffs are 2-1 or better. I'm offering a bet with you that gives you better odds. And you're pussing out. You either don't believe that the real odds are 2-1 or you have a vagina.

[mcatdog]

because obviously ensign_lee should wager his entire net worth on the texans making the playoffs

*head explodes*

[zook]

Vegas's O/U on Houston's win total is 6.5. lee, you seem pretty confident, why don't you take over 7? Bob, under 7?

[ensign_lee]

Vegas's O/U on Houston's win total is 6.5. lee, you seem pretty confident, why don't you take over 7? Bob, under 7?

Already got the over 6.5 at +130.

And Bob:

Let me ask you this. You're walking along the street and see $280 lying around. You also see $30 there. But you can only get one of them. Which one do you pick?

I'm not pussing out. I'm being smart. I don't know why you think it would be smart to take your bet at 3:1 when I could take one at 28:1. And that's before even taking into account the fact that the probability that I would get paid by you is <= the probability that I would get paid from Skybook.

[WildBobAA]

The probability you get paid by me is 100% so I don't know what you're talking about. So how much exactly are you putting on sportsbook to make this bet?

Your analogy does not apply at all.

You're not being smart you're a moron. The Texans will not make the playoffs. They are definitely worse than the Patriots, Colts, Ravens, Bengals, Steelers, Chargers, Jaguars, Jets, and Broncos.