Hypocrites

[!Luck]

Are both these men hypocrites?

Man A: Condemns sexual promiscuity publicly, engages in it privately, denies that he does it.

Man B: Condemns sexual promiscuity publicly, engages in it publicly, doesn't deny it, says its a weakness of character.

Is there a different word for Man B vs Man A? I have more respect (relatively speaking) for man B, than A.

Thoughts.

For reference definition of hypocrite.

1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.



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[PapalRage]

Both are hypocrites, A is also a liar.

EZ game.

[spoonitnow]

Person A will typically acquire more power, while person B will typically think they are holier than thou.

[wufwugy]

^ quite like that breakdown

[supa]

So power is held by the liars?

[BooG690]

No. It all depends on the public's view of said liar.

[boost]

Yes.

fyp.

[!Luck]

I think that high fructose corn syrup is really bad and that you should avoid it. Yet it is really hard to cut out of your diet completely. I never thought that makes me a hypocrite.

But... I am.

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[kiwiMark]

sshhhhh

[swiggidy]

I think that high fructose corn syrup is really bad and that you should avoid it. Yet it is really hard to cut out of your diet completely. I never thought that makes me a hypocrite.

But... I am.

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dissagree. You are avoiding it, even if you don't cut it out completely. If you refused to eat anything with HFCS you would be an annoying extremist, unless you did it quietly.

[wufwugy]

HFCS isn't different than other sugar. Except maybe if you're obese or a rat or don't select food that well

[!Luck]

Fructose is different than sugar. Fructose makes up about 55% of high fructose corn syrup, with the remaining being glucose or what we normal table sugar. The way your body process these two substances is significantly different. I can pull up some studies if you care.

[wufwugy]

No it's not and no you can't

[!Luck]

YouTube - Sugar: The Bitter Truth

[wufwugy]

The bitter truth about fructose alarmism. | Alan Aragon's Blog

Now go find those studies that confirm HFCS is worse for normal humans than other sugars. Or don't, because they don't exist

[!Luck]

Also, Earlier I state that table sugar is glucose, its actually sucrose. Continuing on.

The guy you quote even says that a healthy amount of fructose is like 50 grams a day. Do you know how little that is? 1 12 ounce can of Pepsi has 42 grams of sugar of which between 50-55% is fructose. Meaning 2 cans of Pepsi and you have 42 grams of fructose. Think about all the huge 24 ounce cokes at mcdonalds + free refills not to mention the added HFCS in many cheap breads.

Here is one abstract of how HFCS is bad. Increased fructose consumption is associated with fibrosis severity in patients with nonalcoholic fatty liver disease - Abdelmalek - 2010 - Hepatology - Wiley Online Library and an article that summarizes this study. High fructose corn syrup linked to liver scarring, research suggests

Correlation isn't causation, but this presents a credible theory.

oh, and the amount of fructose in one apple is like 6-12grams, compare that to one can of pepsi and the relatively filling of it.

Lastly, even the mayo clinic says the HFCS is not the same, similar but not the same, but when it comes to molecules a simple structure change can have huge difference.

It is true that the subject is evolving on this matter and it may turn out that this whole HFCS is needless alarmism. But, some evidence is starting to point against this. High-fructose corn syrup: What are the health concerns? - MayoClinic.com.

Lastly, when you avoid HFCS you automatically limit your total sugar intake, which is beneficial for most people on standard American diet.

So go ahead drink your 2 cokes a day and eat foods with HFCS just don't be surprised if you have a slightly to moderately higher chance of fatty liver.

@swiddy and how am I any different than person B? I want to think I am not a hypocrite but I simple can't claim that based on the definition, unless I am missing something.

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[wufwugy]

Last time I checked, normal people don't have liver disease, and your mayo clinic link agrees with me. Also, when comparing things, you must make sure that your comparisons are precise. Semantics can be very misleading. Determining a healthy level of consumption of sugar does not equate to a difference in sugars.

Health and medicine related research can be particularly difficult to understand because there is much deliberate fraud as well as great difficulty in correctly controlling some variables. A basic understanding of sampling, however, is enough to see that the research does not bore out a reason to believe that this one demonized sugar is different than other sugars for normal humans.

Whether or not sugar consumption is limited when not going for HFCS really just depends. People who don't know what they're doing (most people) will make up for it really easily. Exchanging table sugar and pancake syrup for agave and honey does nothing unless intake is decreased, and intake will not decrease without changes in satiety, which is something the vast majority of people will not do.

[!Luck]

wufwugy,
You made some very good points and forced me to research my statement further. And I agree that there is no overwhelming evidence. Just some light evidence that it "may" be marginally worse for you. As the mayo clinic implies.

However, from personal experience, i find that cutting out soft drinks (not really related to the topic, since I never tried replacing them with sugar based), has helped me lose weight. I will say and this is obv. tiny sample size, I find that when I eat mayo, ketchup and other sauces with high fructose corn syrup (again never tried ketchup with just sugar) i tend to get this type of hungry within 2-3 hours that I don't get when I eat fries with ranch dressing instead of fries with ketchup. Or salad made with greens and mayo vs one made with sour cream (I know weird diet).

[BennyLaRue]

HFCS isn't different than other sugar. Except maybe if you're obese or a rat or don't select food that well

Yeah, the scientific evidence on the effect of HFCS vs. other sugars is sketchy. But at a higher level, the political and social issues tied to corn growers in the US should make you want to avoid it (see Food Inc. for a mainstream outline of the case) along with what should be everyone's goal: to try to avoid as much processed food as possible.

[kingnat]

HFCS is a cheap way to put "flavor" in consumables. As such companies use it as a way of lowering their costs and thereby increasing profits. A perfectly acceptable practice except that doing so means you are replacing more expensive ingredients (which very often have fewer calories) that used to provide the flavor. So you have cheaper food that gives the body more calories... and this pervades nearly any food item that comes in a box, bag, can or bottle.

You also forgot Man C: Condemns sexual promiscuity publicly, engages in it privately, denies that he does it, is found out to do it with members of the same sex while doing meth, continues to deny it publicly, enter counseling, be declared "heterosexual"... continue counseling, declare yourself "heterosexual with issues" and then found a new church proclaiming saved-ness, etc..... ah... lolTedHaggard.

[wufwugy]

Yeah, the scientific evidence on the effect of HFCS vs. other sugars is sketchy. But at a higher level, the political and social issues tied to corn growers in the US should make you want to avoid it (see Food Inc. for a mainstream outline of the case) along with what should be everyone's goal: to try to avoid as much processed food as possible.

I don't know anything about that, but you're usually right. I think I'll watch Food Inc tonight too

[wufwugy]

wufwugy,
You made some very good points and forced me to research my statement further. And I agree that there is no overwhelming evidence. Just some light evidence that it "may" be marginally worse for you. As the mayo clinic implies.

However, from personal experience, i find that cutting out soft drinks (not really related to the topic, since I never tried replacing them with sugar based), has helped me lose weight. I will say and this is obv. tiny sample size, I find that when I eat mayo, ketchup and other sauces with high fructose corn syrup (again never tried ketchup with just sugar) i tend to get this type of hungry within 2-3 hours that I don't get when I eat fries with ranch dressing instead of fries with ketchup. Or salad made with greens and mayo vs one made with sour cream (I know weird diet).

Ranch vs something like ketchup means that you're getting more satiating fat and usually higher calories. Self-monitoring of energy input/output is very difficult, and doing things like cutting out soda or eating denser food usually benefits due to inadvertently reducing input.

[BennyLaRue]

I don't know anything about that, but you're usually right.

This is sig worthy.

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[BankItDrew]

I think there's something positive to be said about a man who states, "Do as I say, not as I do."

Take smoking for example. I'm a non-smoker and have never smoked a cigarette in my life but am contemplating taking up the habit. I would ask opinions of both non-smokers as well as smokers. Since smokers have experience smoking and non-smokers do not - I would take the "Don't smoke" recommendations more seriously from the smokers than the non.

It's not like they are hypocrites for telling me what not to do, they just have more information to pass along a better judgment.

[kingnat]

I think there's something positive to be said about a man who states, "Do as I say, not as I do."

Take smoking for example. I'm a non-smoker and have never smoked a cigarette in my life but am contemplating taking up the habit. I would ask opinions of both non-smokers as well as smokers. Since smokers have experience smoking and non-smokers do not - I would take the "Don't smoke" recommendations more seriously from the smokers than the non.

It's not like they are hypocrites for telling me what not to do, they just have more information to pass along a better judgment.

I like a lot of what Drew has to say here. It's quite obvious from this post he is a thinking player. I find myself in an eerily similar situation, as I am a non-eater of paint chips, but am contemplating taking up the habit.

[BankItDrew]

I see what you did there.

[bjsaust]

I dont believe B is a hypocrite since it sounds like he condemns himself.

[jyms]

One of the biggest problems with the HFCS being worse than other sugars argument is the hearsay about when they started adding it to foods in the early 80's and the correlation to increases in obesity. Our country (Canada) and others with the same problems didn't use HFCS but started to add other sweeteners and filling agents. It was the addition of the sheer amount of products in stores, and all of which are sugar/carb filled boxes of different tastes. Our eating habits changed in a a huge way and sugar did cause a lot of the problems, but it is sugar (or carbohydrate) additives in general, including soda and "juice" consumption that are the real issues.