index for creationist myths

[a500lbgorilla]

Atheists are as bad as Christians.

They get all defensive when you question their faith, and will go on and on for hours to anyone who'll listen to all their oso important opinions on something they're not even remotely qualified to speak on

nope.

[d0zer]

You guys are actually really boring to troll.

Fairly reasonable responses...

[wufwugy]

fwiw, religions are not as equal as we suggest. yes they all have the foundations with equal vacancy of logic and equal abundance of faith, but it kinda stops there.

its been a long while since ive gone all comparative religion, but afaik take hinduism for example. they dont believe in sin, they dont believe in proselytization, they even go so far as not believing they are right or superior to any other faiths. they are a faith for the purpose of faith, for the purpose of social togetherness and peace, and they know it. they acknowledge that they are a fairy tale, and i think that is awesome. we dont have to be right in order to be good.

this is way different than our conventional self-righteous evangelistic monotheistic religions.

[d0zer]

we dont have to be right in order to be good.

[JKDS]

i believe in a giant flying spaghetti monster. When everyone dies, i believe FSM will rain torture and spit plague on everyone that believed in anything other than him.

Sure its far fetched and probably isnt true, but what if im right!!!

FSM solves everything

[a500lbgorilla]

i believe in a giant flying spaghetti monster. When everyone dies, i believe FSM will rain torture and spit plague on everyone that believed in anything other than him.

Sure its far fetched and probably isnt true, but what if im right!!!

FSM solves everything

Where are your churches!? Where are your bibles?!

[wufwugy]

shall i tithe ten or twenty percent?

[JKDS]

churches and bibles are for those that need convincing. If you need to be convinced, FSM will probably smite you anyway. Believe with pure faith or be smote!

[BankItDrew]

New video just recently released:

When too much Rapture is barely enough. (Sam Harris - one of bankitdrew's hero's)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onBPwhlpT-g

[Lukie]

i believe in a giant flying spaghetti monster. When everyone dies, i believe FSM will rain torture and spit plague on everyone that believed in anything other than him.

Sure its far fetched and probably isnt true, but what if im right!!!

FSM solves everything

Here's the somewhat-funny part.

I can't prove without a shadow of a doubt that this flying spaghetti monster that spits acid and plague on everyone does not exist. Yet religious people are quick and proud to cite this (the inability to completely disprove any god, read: their god) as evidence in their favor.

[FlyingSaucy]

That argument is logically equivalent to:

You can not prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist, therefore my god exists.

[FlyingSaucy]

Flying Saucy Monster is my god, fwiw.

[BankItDrew]

A must see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urlTBBKTO68

[BankItDrew]

And Another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swlsqkAyxqY&feature=user

[DrivingDog]

I'd recommend reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. He's an obnoxiously arrogant prick but the book is good and very thought-provoking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion

V. good book, even if the guys in the building workshop at Oxford call him Dumb-Dumb Dawkins (true story).

[kingnat]

this book is VERY science driven... and provides information/evidence/data a plenty.

http://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Evolut...5521476&sr=8-1

[wufwugy]

A must see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urlTBBKTO68

incredible lmao

[Ash256]

I love how some people's agendas involve laughing at people who attempt to answer The Question with absolutely no attempt to answer it themselves.

Camus loves it too.

My opinion - Science/Maths and Higher Religion go hand in hand.

I don't want to hop on the Christian-bashing bandwagon - really I don't, it's too easy and unfair - but that's crazy talk. Science and math have nothing to do with religion. Scientific method <> faith.

Thanks for the Camus link - very interesting stuff!

I will admit that my original post was a TARP, and now I shall briefly explain.

By Higher Religion I meant the esoteric study of the basic laws/principles of the universe as we know it - this is the kinda stuff that many esoteric/mystic groups have dedicated themselves to.

What I'm getting at is:- The mystic studies the universe through intellectual intuition and the scientist studies the universe through mathematical formulae - surely the two aren't that different?

Regardless, root creationism isn't in the least bit irrational (though it is somewhat a cop-out), it's young earth creationism that reeks of "dumb-dumb-dumb dumb dumb".

[wufwugy]

I love how some people's agendas involve laughing at people who attempt to answer The Question with absolutely no attempt to answer it themselves.

Camus loves it too.

My opinion - Science/Maths and Higher Religion go hand in hand.

I don't want to hop on the Christian-bashing bandwagon - really I don't, it's too easy and unfair - but that's crazy talk. Science and math have nothing to do with religion. Scientific method <> faith.

Thanks for the Camus link - very interesting stuff!

I will admit that my original post was a TARP, and now I shall briefly explain.

By Higher Religion I meant the esoteric study of the basic laws/principles of the universe as we know it - this is the kinda stuff that many esoteric/mystic groups have dedicated themselves to.

What I'm getting at is:- The mystic studies the universe through intellectual intuition and the scientist studies the universe through mathematical formulae - surely the two aren't that different?

Regardless, root creationism isn't in the least bit irrational (though it is somewhat a cop-out), it's young earth creationism that reeks of "dumb-dumb-dumb dumb dumb".

please provide examples of esoteric sciences

[Jack Sawyer]

I love how some people's agendas involve laughing at people who attempt to answer The Question with absolutely no attempt to answer it themselves.

Camus loves it too.

My opinion - Science/Maths and Higher Religion go hand in hand.

I don't want to hop on the Christian-bashing bandwagon - really I don't, it's too easy and unfair - but that's crazy talk. Science and math have nothing to do with religion. Scientific method <> faith.

Thanks for the Camus link - very interesting stuff!

I will admit that my original post was a TARP, and now I shall briefly explain.

By Higher Religion I meant the esoteric study of the basic laws/principles of the universe as we know it - this is the kinda stuff that many esoteric/mystic groups have dedicated themselves to.

What I'm getting at is:- The mystic studies the universe through intellectual intuition and the scientist studies the universe through mathematical formulae - surely the two aren't that different?

Regardless, root creationism isn't in the least bit irrational (though it is somewhat a cop-out), it's young earth creationism that reeks of "dumb-dumb-dumb dumb dumb".

please provide examples of esoteric sciences

ex. #1

[Lukie]

*BUMP*

Here's one of my favorite ones, that I happened to hear recently:

Under the assumption that one must either not sin, or confess and ask forgiveness from Jesus Christ in order to get into heaven, there seems to be an overriding belief that infants who are killed before they are able to understand and comprehend this are given a free pass to heaven. (actually, there's a whole lotta shit rolled up into this one, but let's focus on the overriding point).

I like this one because it has some rather interesting implications. Let's say that any child three or younger that is killed is sent to heaven for an eternal, blissful afterlife, no questions asked. Let's just use a one year old for this example.

If the above were true, wouldn't a parent murdering their child before the threshold age be the ultimate act of selflessness and honor? They are guarenteeing eternal heaven for their child, despite what the ramifications are toward them.

Or, will the all-knowing-and-powerful lord punish the child due to his or her parent's cleverness and wittiness?

Hmmm..

[will641]

haha, nice one lukie. i like that. but i think that he wouldnt punish the child because although he would see through the parents cleverness, the infant didnt commit a sin. the parents did however, commit a mortal sin, so they will be damned.

[JKDS]

do the handicapped go to hell?

[pgil]

the sins of the father shall be visited upon the sins of the son (or something like that)

at least in the old testament, god wasn't one to be very forgiving towards children, see the killing of the firstborn sons of the egyptians for eg.

[spoonitnow]

ID is science. Always has been. Always will be. Amen.

Wrong.

And if you're not leveling I seriously just lost a lot of respect for you.

[Lukie]

ID is science. Always has been. Always will be. Amen.

Wrong.

And if you're not leveling I seriously just lost a lot of respect for you.

when I first read it a long time ago, I thought it was a level. Looking at it now, it doesn't look like one.

I don't mind people that believe in religion, so long as they don't force views down their throats. Or say it's compatible with science. It isn't. ID is *NOT* science.

Another thing I was thinking of: It must really suck for everyone who was born in a non-christian country (e.g. most of the eastern hemisphere), or to parents that aren't christian. There will be many people who are never even *introduced* to jesus christ that will surely have their soul thrown in a firey pit of hell for all of eternity.

Wouldn't that imply that god (the christian god, that is) hates chinese people because the vast majority will not be introduced to christianity, therefore will commit sins and never be able to ask for forgiveness?

And if allah is the real god, we're all fucked.

[Jack Sawyer]

And if allah is the real god, we're all fucked.

Its the fundamentalists, the radicals, that fuck shit up for others. Not the religion, God, holy entity or whatever you want to call it. Its the dumb, naive radicals who act on behalf of the smart radicals (well, smart enough to not blow themselves up, at least not before killing thousands more people) that make things appear so bad.


Naivety, Idiocy, and Relative Fearlessness is a truly bad combo

[Jack Sawyer]

The act of believing in whatever you want, does not matter if its proven or unproven, should be a universal right.

Imposing beliefs on someone should not be allowed, however. A person should exercise free will to believe whatever he or she wants, and others should not influence this decision (come to my team! we have the best offense!)
Most likely, life experiences, if given enough time, which maybe anywhere between a day to a lifetime, will also shape a persons beliefs.

But, seen in a more realistic way, you are always going to find people who will go out of their way to 'recruit' you. This is wrong, IMO. Also, due to geographic limitations it is entirely possible that any given person hasn't been exposed to a full range of choices. This is also wrong, IMO.

Believing in whatever you believe in is fine. Judging a person for his or her beliefs is retarded however, because this person can also judge you on being retarded because of what you believe in~ and you won't like that, since you're obviously soooo right in whatever you believe. Taking your beliefs to the extreme, such as for example forcing someone else to believe in whatever you do "because it is right/correct/awesomest/ther0xx0r "or whatever is also retarded, for obvious (I hope) reasons.




That said, lets go now for a whole new spin {AKA food for the thought}:
-are we alone in this universe?
-does the universe actually exist?
-are we really alone in this universe if it actually exists? is it ruly that motherfucking big? does that not seem like a huge waste of space?
-is the earth actually 4.5 billion years old?
-Is it true that a star is a sun?
-Is it true that The Sun is a star? Really? 100% Sure about that?
-is it true that The Sun has only (LOL) 5 billion years of hydrogen left? How the fuck do we know that? Are we sure of this?
-What happens when it runs out?
-If, and only if somehow we are not alone, and there are intelligent beings elsewhere, who created those sons of bitches?
-If, and only if somehow we are not alone, and they don't look exactly like us (say they are pure energy entities), and according to the bible god created man in his image, in who's image were they created? and by whom?
-If it can be repeatedly proven the earth is so and so years old, by finding rocks and minerals dating from this age, how come some people argue that we were "put" here about 4 thousand years ago? Were the rocks and minerals "put" here too around the same timeframe? What about the huge time between these two alleged events? How do we know this? Who "put" us? Where is this entity now? Can we trust text that has been translated and retranslated to all languages for over centuries, everyone {potentially} adding their own custom bits and pieces?
-who the fuck is this Dan Brown fella?

And if allah is the real god, we're all fucked.

Its the fundamentalists, the radicals, that fuck shit up for others. Not the religion, God, holy entity or whatever you want to call it. Its the dumb, naive radicals who act on behalf of the smart radicals (well, smart enough to not blow themselves up, at least not before killing thousands more people) that make things appear so bad.


Naivety, Idiocy, and Relative Fearlessness is a truly bad combo

If there were no moderates, then radicals wouldn't exist. Think about that one for a second.

[will641]

I don't mind people that believe in religion, so long as they don't force views down their throats.

stop right there. ^^^^ will never happen. only the religions on the way out wont do it. most annoying churches/religion (in terms of shoving shit down other peoples throats:
1) Islam
2) Baptist
2) Jehova's Witness
3) Morman's

HOWEVER, 2-4 are not even on the same ball park as Islam. Baptists suck because they want to ban anything they dont believe in (alcohol, abortions, drugs, etc.). J.W. and Morman's are just annoying cause they walk up to your door and shit, but they dont seriously offend me. i just kind of laugh at them. however, nobody even comes close to pushing their bullshit on other people as muslims. the others dont threaten to cut off your head for worshiping another god, or (latest example) suing mcdonalds because they allegedly didnt hire two muslim women because they refuse to take off their head scarves. we are going to be seeing more and more of these law suits as time goes on i guarantee it. and that's an example of a "non-violent" muslim, so don't give me the "its only the radicals that are ridiculous" crap. granted the "non-violent" muslims arent nearly as bad as radicals, but its still pretty amazing that they think the world should change for them, because they are the only ones with precedence.

[wufwugy]

kingnats post is a level.

"once you understand why you reject all other religions will you understand why i reject yours"

[CoccoBill]

I don't mind people that believe in religion, so long as they don't force views down their throats.

stop right there. ^^^^ will never happen. only the religions on the way out wont do it. most annoying churches/religion (in terms of shoving shit down other peoples throats:
1) Islam
2) Baptist
2) Jehova's Witness
3) Morman's

HOWEVER, 2-4 are not even on the same ball park as Islam. Baptists suck because they want to ban anything they dont believe in (alcohol, abortions, drugs, etc.). J.W. and Morman's are just annoying cause they walk up to your door and shit, but they dont seriously offend me. i just kind of laugh at them. however, nobody even comes close to pushing their bullshit on other people as muslims. the others dont threaten to cut off your head for worshiping another god, or (latest example) suing mcdonalds because they allegedly didnt hire two muslim women because they refuse to take off their head scarves. we are going to be seeing more and more of these law suits as time goes on i guarantee it. and that's an example of a "non-violent" muslim, so don't give me the "its only the radicals that are ridiculous" crap. granted the "non-violent" muslims arent nearly as bad as radicals, but its still pretty amazing that they think the world should change for them, because they are the only ones with precedence.

Ever heard of the crusades? Spanish inquisition? Witch-hunts?

http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2...-killed-by.php

Pointing fingers at a single religion is pointless. Watch Jesus Camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Camp) and tell me there's a difference between extremist christians and extremist muslims. How many muslims do you know personally btw?

[wufwugy]

jesus camp was the fucking bomb. tear-jerker too. poor fucking kids. my mother could watch that and be so into the evangelism and philosophy; she couldnt even see the reality behind surface. probably my brother too. my saving grace has been my father. even though hes heavily christian (actually now jewish) he at least has some semblance of a shit detector.

also it seems a number of the hardcore christians i know are now bigoted towards muslims. fucking ridiculous.

and i figured out why its so hard to discuss these kinds of things with religionists and thats because from the getgo they're mega emotional. all i have to do is mention the word evolution and they immediately wad their panties and spew astronomical strawmen like if men came from monkeys then why dont monkeys make human babies today blah blahb ablh

[wufwugy]

most of these are pretty awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3LHxNaAU-g

[will641]

"Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; Give a religion, and he'll starve to death praying for a fish."

thats one of my favorites, although all of these are pretty good.

[wufwugy]

i really dig the dawkins one about being against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with misunderstandings. i think that may be the only pure reason to be against religion.

[wufwugy]

i take back everything ive said. i am now a creationist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504

so is spoon. at least im sure he will be after he sees this since its logics right up his alley

[JKDS]

my favorite is the banana theory one.

[wufwugy]

In regards to Pascal's Wager:
He forgot to prove that having a religion won't HURT your chances.

What if believing in Jehova makes Vishnu really angry and he eats your soul? Atheists don't get their soul eaten and reincarnate. Yay!

[will641]

What if believing in Jehova makes Vishnu really angry and he eats your soul? Atheists don't get their soul eaten and reincarnate. Yay!

"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder." - Homer Simpson

[Jack Sawyer]

Voltaire I think, on his deathbed, was asked to renounce the devil

to which he responded: "now's not the time to be making new enemies"

[will641]

this site is pretty crazy. if anyone has any scientific interest in why creationism is b.s. other than the obvious, this would be a good place to start.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/

BUMP!

this is for rocco.