ITT: Help me decide where to move to

[spoonitnow]

In the next six months I'm planning to move and get the fuck out of North Carolina. Start suggesting locations.

Pluses:
- Less than 3 hours from the beach
- Poker is legal
- Rural areas

Minuses:
- Snow
- My relatives

Gogogogogogogogogogo.

[BankItDrew]

Isle of Man
British Isles

[triumphant cracker]

california

[Muzzard]

England!

[mcatdog]

How important are live poker games to you? There aren't that many places in the US that have good cardrooms and most of them (LA, Vegas, New Jersey, Connecticut) don't seem to meet the other criteria you have.

[will641]

how much of an objective is price?

[spoonitnow]

I should clarify that I prefer to stay in the United States for the time being, and renting is fine for right now.

[wufwugy]

hawaii and its probably not really close. i say 'probably' because im hypothesizing based on logic, not experience.

best beaches in the US, best weather (if you like hot and dislike cold), probably some of the best food, probably the best people because its probably has the most 'foreign' personalities, probably the happiest people because of how great an environment it is (that type of thing affects joy way more than most want to admit), social life is probably very dynamic (like if you like day life you get that on beaches but if you like night life they have cities), i hear the water is actually warm and the rivers are awesome.

lots of other stuff too im sure. thing is that when living in US, i imagine you cant beat hawaii. i mean its where US residents go for vacation

[mrhappy333]

hawaii and its probably not really close. i say 'probably' because im hypothesizing based on logic, not experience.

best beaches in the US, best weather (if you like hot and dislike cold), probably some of the best food, probably the best people because its probably has the most 'foreign' personalities, probably the happiest people because of how great an environment it is (that type of thing affects joy way more than most want to admit), social life is probably very dynamic (like if you like day life you get that on beaches but if you like night life they have cities), i hear the water is actually warm and the rivers are awesome.

lots of other stuff too im sure. thing is that when living in US, i imagine you cant beat hawaii. i mean its where US residents go for vacation

I just got back from MAUI, HI.
The people native Islanders are fucking assholes. Everyone else is incredible. They were very friendly. The weather was awesome. The water was warm, although I got stung by a Jelly fish on day 1, and one beach was closed due to a shark attack(on a sea turtle).
The nude beach was wonderful, lots of hot college chicks running around naked, I was in paradise.
Gas was 4.50 a gallon. A box of Total Cereal was $7. The food at the restaurants was excellent. I used to hate sushi, but decided to try it once again since I was on Vacation, and it was Awesome!
Housing is very expensive, but you may find cheap rent.
There are no Casinos, not even lottery in HI. I did ask some people and they knew where there was a local "home" game. = "underground" casino

But,
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3569/maui054ns6.jpg

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4770/maui074jb6.jpg

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2687/maui045jv5.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/3209/maui091wh9.jpg
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6337/maui074se6.jpg

All I can say is there is endless possiblity in Hawaii, but it can be expensive.
things you can do:
Mountain Bike, road bike, surf, sail, kite surf, swimming, diving, water ski, snow ski!!, rain forrest hiking, hunting, fishing, eat. I can go on and on. there is sooooo much going on, you should never be bored.
Add in all the tourist chicks who are looking to hook up, BONUS.

I guess you could say I had a great time. And I was on Vacation. So it could be alot different than living there, But I stayed with friends on the Island, and they are very happy people there.
wow, I could go on forever here... I'll post more pics if you want.

[wufwugy]

awesome pics, moar pics

[DaddyDeez]

the natives and the drugs in hawaii make it pretty shitty, and you are gonna need alot more than your 100k or w/e a year to live really well there. I lived there on base for close to a yr, id be happy to vacation there but never would i live there again, fuck that.

if u like beach towns id say San Diego is fuckin great, Hot bitches everywhere great food, esp if u like mexican shit, and the nightlife is fookin awesome.

also VA beach, VA is great if u live near the beach, i gots fuckloads of good memories in va beach, but it does get cold.

[Renton]

I know it ignores some of your criteria, but Atlanta is not too bad. I moved here to go to school from Chattanooga Tennessee (which I'm sure is reasonably similar to where you live currently), and I'm never going back.

It's a fairly cheap city to live in (as far as major urban areas are concerned). Its not scathingly urban, other than the traffic which is bad, unless you specifically try to live very close to where you commute.


I think the main plus to Atlanta is that its the local bastion of reasonably evolved people in the Southeast U.S. Everyone here has thumbs, its really neat.

[Ash256]

Huddersfield, the Capital of The North

[Jack Sawyer]

maui pics dont work for me

edit: you have to copy/paste the text, not the link

the text = the link

[Jack Sawyer]

spoon, find a rural area near the beach in FLA and move

[a500lbgorilla]

I've got a couch you could crash on.

[Deanglow]

fuck florida, go to california

[daven]

somewhere northwest? seattle etc

[spoonitnow]

somewhere northwest? seattle etc

Online poker is a felony there, no thanks.

[kmind]

I'll trade you Richmond for Winston-Salem.

[badandy519]

Kingsland/ St. Mary's, GA

Somewhat rural, half hour from Jacksonville, 1.5 hrs from Daytona, beaches all up and down the coast.

[will641]

somewhere northwest? seattle etc

Online poker is a felony there, no thanks.

really? didnt know that. so redzilla is a felon? quick, to the border patrol and then to the fbi!!

[Ragnar4]

Ragnar4's bad advice file:

Alaska. most serious alaska locations are hours from the beach, legal poker, and free money just for living there.

Ragnar4's better advice file:
If you play poker for a living, I suggest you do the "move around a lot thing" until you find somewhere you like. at 100k a year, all you need is a laptop and a car, the rest is just gravy. Move around until you find someplace you like, has all the amenities you need/want, and is "just the right distance" from relatives. IE you can visit when you miss them, and they can visit when they plan to, but they won't just "pop bye" for the afternoon. I find that 3 hours away from my folks is not far enough, but 14 hours away from my folks was waaay too far. Of course, for my job, I only make 26k a year, sooooo.... flying 4 hours to see my parents would be a much larger radius of distance.

[wufwugy]

i live in wash state, and no playing poker online here is not a felony. dont make the same mistake about the wash legislation that lay people make about uigea

[Galapogos]

Why do you want to stay in the States?

[wufwugy]

what other options are there than to live in the states? to live elsewhere for long one must have citizenship right? isnt it hard to get citizenship for most places that dont suck, and how easy is it to get citizenship in some places that dont suck?

[Ragnar4]

Really? When I was going back and forth between Zeppos in Pullman Wa, Wufwugy, they were pretty adamant that Playing online poker is a class 2 felony.

You could lose your dealers liscence if you were caught playing online.

We had to talk about it in code, in order to circumnavigate the laws. We spent a lot of time talking about our "Roommates" and how he fared at the "Racetrack" that weekend.

Apparently they lost a dealer due to him talking openly about playing online, after the legislation. Lost his liscence and everything.

[spoonitnow]

i live in wash state, and no playing poker online here is not a felony. dont make the same mistake about the wash legislation that lay people make about uigea

It's clearly a class C felony. Possession of child pornography is also a class C felony.

The appeal didn't go over as well as people had hoped earlier this year:
http://www.gambling911.com/Online-Poker-051608.html

[CoccoBill]

what other options are there than to live in the states?

You're kidding, right?

to live elsewhere for long one must have citizenship right? isnt it hard to get citizenship for most places that dont suck, and how easy is it to get citizenship in some places that dont suck?

The things you're looking for are visas, work permits and residency permits. For example, my wife (who's american) has lived here in nothern europe for the past 4 years, finished a *free* masters degree and is working full time, she doesn't even have permanent residency here yet, let alone citizenship. The requirements for each of those vary by country, but in general having a job or a place to study in advance is pretty much a guarantee to get in.

[wufwugy]

Really? When I was going back and forth between Zeppos in Pullman Wa, Wufwugy, they were pretty adamant that Playing online poker is a class 2 felony.

You could lose your dealers liscence if you were caught playing online.

We had to talk about it in code, in order to circumnavigate the laws. We spent a lot of time talking about our "Roommates" and how he fared at the "Racetrack" that weekend.

Apparently they lost a dealer due to him talking openly about playing online, after the legislation. Lost his liscence and everything.

yes, but that doesnt means its actually a felony to play online. for example, the uigea does not make playing online poker illegal, yet many institutions have gone the safe route and act like it's illegal.

first off, nobody actually knows about any of this legislation over the last few years because there has been no definitive court decisions. policy makers have made policy, but in order for policy to be non-ambiguous and enforceable it must be ruled on by the judiciary, and that is only the first step of enforcing it, and it hasnt been implement nor will it be imo.

what we are seeing is a bunch of company owners of poker businesses who dont want to be the guinea pigs even though the likelyhood that they would be acquitted of all charges is extremely high. not only are there so many reasons that the government cant make playing online poker illegal, but there is no way in hell they could enforce it. the illegalities have to do with institutions on various levels that allow the games to take play (its even ambiguous if poker is one of these games), not with the individual playing.

besides, look at sportsbetting. the legislation against it is waaaaaaaaay stronger than against poker (like i said there isnt really even any legs about poker in the first place, just ambiguous 'games of chance' or 'illegal gaming') yet the sportsbetting online still exists and easily and all the time.

there is zero way for a non-communist or totalitarian or whatever govt to illegalize internet poker and enforce it. there are so many legal loop holes and contradictions. illegal internet gambling is heavily archaic, the battle is uphill from here (thanks to PPA), and it's going fast imo. internets is the way of the future and by far, and any individual getting in legal trouble for gambling online is a FoF wet dream at best.

fwiw, i file as poker player with all earnings from an online paper trail, and my bank knows my checks are all from a poker site. also, back when the wash legs was getting pushed through, a friend of mine had his panties in a uproar big time until he came across an email response from a legislator (i believe one of the bill sponsors) that said that the legislation was in no way intended for the individual player, but for the institutions that allow the games to take place.

besides whats gonna happen? is a branch or law enforcement that doesnt yet exist gonna come to your home and arrest you on a law that isnt yet explicit? would the state not get annihilated even without court once the media and public and specific poker enthusiasts learn about your 'crime'?

is there even a case in all of history where somebody playing a gambling game gets tried and convicted under a somewhat current judiciary?

also, when obama wins there will be four years in which barney frank and co will have ample time to get positive online poker legs through the senate. it is very likely that even in 09 could the opposite of uigea get pulled through

[wufwugy]

what other options are there than to live in the states?

You're kidding, right?

that comment was not meant to be taken in isolation, but with the rest of the post about how i thought a person with US citizenship exclusively may have a hard time residing outside the states.

[zook]

Spoon, you should strongly consider state income tax. Seven states have none: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington and Wyoming.

I used to live in WA state and did a lot of research that convinced me there was negligible risk to the individual online poker player. Best evidence was this statement by the WA State Gambling Commssion:

As for players, gambling on the Internet, whether playing poker, slots or another gambling game, runs a risk of a felony conviction. However, there is not going to be an active campaign against regular players. If players’ names appear in an operator’s seized records, the Gambling Commission would likely send the player a warning letter, notifying them that betting online is a felony. If a player’s name reappears again, charges may be filed.

(from http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/docs/press_re...ing_062006.pdf)

Since they have no jurisdiction over PokerStars or FullTilt, there's no way your name would ever appear "in an operator's seized records".

And then this analysis by a gambling law expert: http://rose.casinocitytimes.com/articles/27754.html

Obviously a bigger risk than other states, but I'd move back there and play full-time in a heartbeat.

edit: But given your requirements, I'd go with Florida. Up north somewhere like Jacksonville or St. Augustine.

[wufwugy]

i live in wash state, and no playing poker online here is not a felony. dont make the same mistake about the wash legislation that lay people make about uigea

It's clearly a class C felony. Possession of child pornography is also a class C felony.

The appeal didn't go over as well as people had hoped earlier this year:
http://www.gambling911.com/Online-Poker-051608.html

rokay

there is still tonssss of ambiguities that do not allow it to be enforced or even applicable to the individual player. the WA gambling commission has openly stated that the law will not be enforced. when dino rossi becomes govt next year the bill will likely be overturned over the next few years.

i nor any of the many poker players in WA have been pursued in any way over this issue, nor will we because the govt would be a laughingstock once the media found out.

it's like driving one mile over the speed limit; not only will a cop not stop you, but if one does, if you get a good attorney a judge will throw your case out because there are simply enough ambiguities.

[flomo]

Spoon, you should strongly consider state income tax. Seven states have none: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington and Wyoming.

new hampshire also does not have an income tax.

lots of beaches within 3 hours also foxwoods
tons of rural hillbillies
but has plenty of snow

go south , go south

[wufwugy]

Best evidence was this statement by the WA State Gambling Commssion:

As for players, gambling on the Internet, whether playing poker, slots or another gambling game, runs a risk of a felony conviction. However, there is not going to be an active campaign against regular players. If players’ names appear in an operator’s seized records, the Gambling Commission would likely send the player a warning letter, notifying them that betting online is a felony. If a player’s name reappears again, charges may be filed.

lol i forgot about those 'letters'

jesus how amazingly retarded and impotent must a law be if when you commit a felony you simply get a warning?

[Ragnar4]

i live in wash state, and no playing poker online here is not a felony. dont make the same mistake about the wash legislation that lay people make about uigea

It's clearly a class C felony. Possession of child pornography is also a class C felony.

The appeal didn't go over as well as people had hoped earlier this year:
http://www.gambling911.com/Online-Poker-051608.html

rokay

there is still tonssss of ambiguities that do not allow it to be enforced or even applicable to the individual player. the WA gambling commission has openly stated that the law will not be enforced. when dino rossi becomes govt next year the bill will likely be overturned over the next few years.

i nor any of the many poker players in WA have been pursued in any way over this issue, nor will we because the govt would be a laughingstock once the media found out.

it's like driving one mile over the speed limit; not only will a cop not stop you, but if one does, if you get a good attorney a judge will throw your case out because there are simply enough ambiguities.

Whoa whoa whoa. Just because it's really hard to get in trouble for it doesn't make it un-illegal.

You make a decision to break the law living in Wa every time you log on and play. That's on you, you crazy law breaking citizen you.

Wouldn't it suck though, if they had one of those jail break mass assrests like they did for music media 5 years ago concerning the filesharing systems back in the day. I'd hate to see you on a superbowl commercial saying "Hi, I'm Wufwugy, and I take it up the butt daily from Bubba Joe over there, because gambling is illegal and I chose to break the law, repeatedly."

Illegal but unenforcable is still illegal. It's up to you to sleep at night.

[zook]

You make a decision to break the law living in Wa every time you log on and play. That's on you, you crazy law breaking citizen you.

...

Illegal but unenforcable is still illegal. It's up to you to sleep at night.

lol, oral sex is illegal in your state but I bet you sleep damn well after getting head.

so many stupid laws, so little time to break them all. illegality does not equal immorality.

[wufwugy]

ragnar,

there's lots of stuff we do which is on the books illegal yet not enforced. simply nobody cares about the laws. this, when regarding individual players, is one of them.

in how many states is same-sex sodomy still illegal? in how many states does anybody care?

[Jack Sawyer]

what other options are there than to live in the states? to live elsewhere for long one must have citizenship right?
isnt it hard to get citizenship for most places that dont suck, and how easy is it to get citizenship in some places that dont suck?

narrowminded imo

[Jack Sawyer]

For example, my wife (who's american) has lived here in nothern europe for the past 4 years

I'm curious. Where is "here in nothern europe"?

[Jack Sawyer]

ragnar,

there's lots of stuff we do which is on the books illegal yet not enforced. simply nobody cares about the laws. this, when regarding individual players, is one of them.

in how many states is same-sex sodomy still illegal? in how many states does anybody care?

probably in georgia

oral sex is anyway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_v._State_of_Georgia

[spoonitnow]

Living with my girlfriend while we're not married is illegal in North Carolina.


I'm considering northern Florida for whoever it was who suggested it.

[Jack Sawyer]

i did

whatever u do DO NOT go to kentucky

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...ight-back.html

[spoonitnow]

StandARRd.

[UG]

Living with my girlfriend while we're not married is illegal in North Carolina.

wow, really? that's some shit.

[wufwugy]

what other options are there than to live in the states? to live elsewhere for long one must have citizenship right?
isnt it hard to get citizenship for most places that dont suck, and how easy is it to get citizenship in some places that dont suck?

narrowminded imo

i didnt say what you thought i said

[spoonitnow]

Living with my girlfriend while we're not married is illegal in North Carolina.

wow, really? that's some shit.

No joke. And there's a judge in Charlotte who asks a lot of people in court for other shit if the person they live with is their husband/wife and if they say no he gets their ass on it.

[jyms]

If I had my choice it'd be the west coast, but most likely Arizona/Neveda. Most likely Vegas. I still think I have a little West coast (BC, Canada) in me. I hate winters.

[spoonitnow]

Don't want to start a new thread for this but Stack is a homofag

<@spoonitnow> Stacks on Stud
<@spoonitnow> The Porno
<Stacks> sounds good imo

[Stacks]

That is so taken out of context. Just bad timing imo.

But what about this???

spoonitnow: you're getting owned like aids in the ***
http://www.pokerhand.org/?3311034
[ ] Stacks owned like aids in the ass.
[x] Spoon owned like aids in the ass.

[DaddyDeez]

You guys are so cute together

[pantherhound]

the only answer is huddersfield capital of the North.


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[UG]

maybe if they blew it up and started over

[mrhappy333]

who destroyed my pics of Maui?
WARPE? did you do that?
warpe is on a mission!

[Renton]

i did it, didn't mean to fck the link up though. It just tilts me when people break FTR with their massive huge pictures.

[mrhappy333]

I'll resize them, I didn't realize they were sooo big

[Jack Sawyer]

if you really want to show your images within the thread and not be annoying,





then use what you copied in the following way:

if instead you want your images in all their huge-ass glory, copy the "thumbnail for forums (1)" link and paste it here. there's no need to apply the resize option then. repeat for every additional image.


example:



You can then paste images next to each other


or any other way you please. just know that there is a per post character limit that you will bump into. I'd say you could do about 9 images side by side in a single post this way.

YW .

[euphoricism]

If you want to come take a trip out to central florida and check it out, you both can crash at my place for however long you want.

I think you'd like central florida. Girls are gorgeous, beach is close, a lot of rural areas bring housing costs way down. Great night life. I love this city

[will641]

spoon you want to finish school right? find somewhere you want to go to school at and move there.