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    Quote Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill View Post
    re: 'moment of choice for Creationists'

    I'm arguing from the perspective is that there is no certain reality. Humans created the law of gravity the same way they created religion. Because scientific laws were formed by subjective consciousness there's no way of knowing with absolute certainty that they are 'reality'.
    That's the beauty of the scientific method. It takes our subjective conscious minds and puts them through a step by step process to know nature for how nature is. It tries to minimize the weakness inherent in how we think and know and reach a conclusion that is true independent of our inclinations.

    Why do you think String Theory isn't a scientific theory? Our inclination is that such a beautiful set of maths that describe all particles and phenomenon should be brilliantly accurate to reality but since we can't test it to verify, it's left to the realm of people arguing for or against it until more data becomes available. String Theory is like religion. Theory of Gravity (including special and general relativity) is science.

    empiricism cannot invalidate intuition
    I disagree. It can for such an easy reason as saying it can. If it doesn't for you, than you need to find a way to make sure it does. Might I suggest the scientific method?

    and here's why I think that. We observe the force of gravity and have correlated whatever factors influence gravity to things being pulled towards massive objects. It is theoretically possible there are mechanisms involved in the force of gravity that we cannot perceive, such as things occurring in other dimensions. Or God.
    A supremely excellent point. So now we need to hack away until we know what we don't know; until we perceive what we haven't yet perceived. You're allowed to say God for as long as you wish to explain those things hidden in the constant G. But once someone finds that data and fits it to a hypothesis, tests the hypothesis and shovels it on to many other minds who shall do the same, God's lot in this problem will shrink. Or maybe you'll prove him, who knows?

    I can't help you with that, but I encounter a whole bunch of fudge factors in fluid flow dynamics and each one essentially says "here's a number you put in to make the calculations correct." If you could figure out what we don't know about those numbers, you'd probably gain a nice bit of notoriety. G i think is different, but I don't really know how it came to be.
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