JEHOVAH'S WITNESS??

[jackvance]

maybe we can talk about the philisophical implications of the theory of evolution and naturalism, which basically require life to have no point except to live for the sake of living.

That is not true.. the point is not to live for the sake of living, the point is to spread your genes. It's what you are built for anyway. So you better start breeding!

[jmontis]

my existence improved dramatically when i stopped seeking an absolute explanation for life.

welcome to the club of the enlightened. I am right there with you.

The believers are going to believe, and the non believers won't. That's the way it's been, and that's the way it's going to be for eternity.

I could say a lot of things here that'd make me look like an asshole so I'll refrain from those comments.

[Warpe]

[jyms]

[mrhappy333]

For fucks sake will somebody lock this fucking thread.

You bastards go play poker and stop with shitty threads.

For Fucks sake, will people who don't like a thread stay the Fuck out of the thread. There has been alot of good debates going on here. If you dont like it stay out!!

This is a serious thread, quit with the sarcastic bullshit photoshop crap.

[mrhappy333]

my existence improved dramatically when i stopped seeking an absolute explanation for life.

welcome to the club of the enlightened. I am right there with you.

The believers are going to believe, and the non believers won't. That's the way it's been, and that's the way it's going to be for eternity.

I could say a lot of things here that'd make me look like an asshole so I'll refrain from those comments.

This seems so easy, yet so hard to accept. I have this same issue when I do my geneaology. I have this big magnificant(spelling?) drawing of my whole family, that goes back generations, and generations. Then I married my wife, who was Adopted. her family tree,(blood) is just her.
so I have this same feeling, it's so hard to describe and explain. If that makes any sense?

[dwags222]

what is the meanign of life?

p.s. 42 doesn't count.

[Harry]

If god created us, why did he give men nipples?

[Lukie]

Can someone provide evidence or some kind or reasonable explanation for how we were 'created'?

Shortcomings of science (whether true or not) do not support these claims. Anyone who thinks differently is, well, fooling themselves.

[Renton]

I am going to start a new religion.

Its called the "being a good person whether an invisible man in the sky rewards me for it or not" religion.

I think its going to catch on big.

[givememyleg]

i sense alot of close minded people on both sides of the debate

[givememyleg]

If god created us, why did he give men nipples?

While only females have mammary glands, we all start out in a similar way in the embryo, the authors explain. The embryo follows a female template until about six weeks, when the male sex chromosome kicks in.

Men, however, have already developed nipples.

[euphoricism]

1) The concept of evolution flies directly in the face of a merciful (in the judeo-xtian sense) God. If all dogs go to heaven, there ain't no evolution -- namely because it deals with the extinction of species through predatory means or starvation. God is not just *allowing* the animals to starve as that is the natural order, he is *causing* them to starve.

2) People who say that the universe needs to have a beginning but that God doesn't are engaging in special pleading. If one can always have existed, the other can too.

[jackvance]

Let's not forget the horrible job God did on the eye.. the wiring actually comes out the FRONT - the reason for the famous blind spot we all have - but if he had just let the wiring come out the back of the eye, now that would have made sense..

[Harry]

Does the old testament specify whether Adam had nipples?

[Corey]

dont ya'll have your own bible?

whose the author of that damn book?

and are ya'll the type off people that sit at the corner of an intersection who yell at drivers who think we can hear you?

and are ya'll the people in suits and ties who ride them der bikes and go to people houses? or dat der be mormons hrmm

[arkana]

I like having nipples, wtf?

[Alibi]

Can you prove that I'm not an Intelligetn Designer?

^^^^^^^^^^^^
(spelling??)

pretty easy to prove. An intellegent designer would at least be able to spell.

:whistle:

I think you mean intelligent ?

You owned yourself hardcore...

[jyms]

ya but I'm stupid.

On topic, If Adam and Eve were the first humans and had three sons, Cain, Abel and Seth. Where did the next line of children come from???

[bigred]

ya but I'm stupid.

On topic, If Adam and Eve were the first humans and had three sons, Cain, Abel and Seth. Where did the next line of children come from???

Abel was kind of girly.

[Renton]

On topic, If Adam and Eve were the first humans and had three sons, Cain, Abel and Seth. Where did the next line of children come from???

1. motherfucking
2. fatherfucking
3. daughterfucking
4. sonfucking
5. sisterfucking

and

6. brotherfucking


In that order.

[mrhappy333]

on topic. Is the garden of eden in Kentucky?

On topic, If Adam and Eve were the first humans and had three sons, Cain, Abel and Seth. Where did the next line of children come from???

1. motherfucking
2. fatherfucking
3. daughterfucking
4. sonfucking
5. sisterfucking

and

6. brotherfucking


In that order.

[bigred]

"God's just a kid with an ant farm"

What movie?

[jyms]

Constantine

[mrhappy333]

also if anyone wants to set forth any serious inquiries about the bible or christianity, or any questions etc. etc., i am very educated in such matters, i am presently in the process of getting my major in biblical literature and i am working on a minor in christian education, and i have a bit of philosophy education but not a ton yet. im talking serious questions here.

Dwags222, The Jehovahs translated the bible themselves. The New world Translation they call it. They changed CROSS to STAKE. Do you have any info on this. I'm not sure if its a greek or hebrew word that is different. HELP.

[mrhappy333]

heres another question for all the bible believers..

If Noah built an ark, 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high. at 3 levels.
Genesis 7 1-16
how are all the different species of this earth supposed to fit in that space?
Noah, his wife
noahs 3 kids and there wives, and their children,
2 pigs
2 cats
2 dogs
2 boa constrictors
2 pythons
2 copperhead snakes
2 diamond back snakes
2 garden snakes
2 ring snakes
2 king cobras
2 giraffes
2 elephants
2 rinos
2 panda bears
2 lions
2 tigers
2 bears
2 etc......
2 etc...........................2 of every animal...
and 7 each of the clean beasts male and femal
and of the flying creatures 7 each


How are all these people and animals supposed to fit in this 20250 cubit square of space?
It seems uterly imposible?
amirite?

[bigred]

Mexicans were able to fit 22 people into a suburban last week on the news. Not so hard

[mrhappy333]

I just had a discussion with my mother who is a Jehovahs Witness, I asked her about the ARK and all the animals, she told me there wasn't that many animal breeds back then, so then I said well " how are there so many breeds now?" and then she said well they inbreeded kinda..
And also if Jehovah said that's what happened then I believe it.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...I don't get that..

Also, she said Cain had sex with a sister, and I asked if it was ok then to have sex with your sister? And she replied that NO, they were close to being perfect at that time.

So my other question now is?
If God is perfect, and he created Perfect people in the begining, How does someone who is perfect, SIN, when they are perfect?

[SaulPaul]

note to dawgs about being no evidence for macro evolution. Remember reading in New Scientist (granted biased towards evolution), that fossils were found of a fish that had like little stumpy things that lay on the beach (for sum reason i cant remember cos i was stoned) for periods of time. easy to see how the transition occured now, (and thuis one fo the biggest macro evolution steps)

[bigred]

You guys are so dumb. Here is how new species are created.

A poppa new species thing gets with a momma new species thing. They play some barry white and a little thong song and BAM, we've got a new species thing.

[Warpe]

[okietalker]

First off the world BECAME void, NOT was void. So both evolution and creationism can co-exist and both be right.

If you would like I can elaborate.

Otherwise, I will just leave you poor souls wandering in the wilderness.

[bigred]

OKIETALKER, HI HOW ARE YOU, GOOD TO SEE YOU, I LOVE YOU

[okietalker]

I'm good thnks for asking. How are you?

[mrhappy333]

First off the world BECAME void, NOT was void. So both evolution and creationism can co-exist and both be right.

If you would like I can elaborate.

Otherwise, I will just leave you poor souls wandering in the wilderness.

please elaborate, and tickle my ear hairs..

[bigred]

I'm good man. That was my drunken love post for you. Haven't seen you in forever man.


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[okietalker]

Genesis 1:1" In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."
(Lets for the sake of this post say this happened about 4 billion years ago. Which, I think, is how old most scientists think the earth is. )

Genesis 1:2 "The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."

lets translate this back to Hebrew: "Was" in Hebrew is "Hayah" (pronounced haw-yaw' ) and it means "to become" or in this instance we english speaking persons would say "Became".

"Form" in Hebrew is "Tohuw" (pronounced to'-hoo) and it means "Confusion, empty place, without"

"Void" in Hebrew is "Bohuw" (pronounced bo'-hoo) and means "to be empty or emptiness"

So it is written "haya tohuw bohuw" which is better translated: "Became an empty place"

I got all definitions out of the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Of The Bible


So why can't the world be 4 billion years old? And at the same time "We" be created by God? It don't say we were created 6 days after the world was created. It says we were created after the world "Became" void, no exact time that this happened is actually specified in the manuscripts.

All I know is this: When you take the hebrew text and translate it, all the Creationists "fairy tails" fall by the wayside and the actual truth shines through.

So there is a little teaser for you to consider.

P.S. Anyone who would like to learn more will have to pm me.

[pgil]

because at the time that we arrived on the earth, the earth was not an empty place, it was in fact teeming with life. once life first appeared, it has remained, and the earth has not been empty since.

on a side note, it is a very good idea to attempt to understand the bible in the original hebrew (if you wish to actually study it). however, i would hope that you would actually have a working knowledge of hebrew before attempting to do so, otherwise you are just reading someone else's translation.

[gabe]

good post okie

[bode]

so god killed the dinosaurs?

[martindcx1e]

So my other question now is?
If God is perfect, and he created Perfect people in the begining, How does someone who is perfect, SIN, when they are perfect?

Adam and Eve were not perfect

[mrhappy333]

Genesis 1:1" In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."
(Lets for the sake of this post say this happened about 4 billion years ago. Which, I think, is how old most scientists think the earth is. )

Genesis 1:2 "The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."

lets translate this back to Hebrew: "Was" in Hebrew is "Hayah" (pronounced haw-yaw' ) and it means "to become" or in this instance we english speaking persons would say "Became".

"Form" in Hebrew is "Tohuw" (pronounced to'-hoo) and it means "Confusion, empty place, without"

"Void" in Hebrew is "Bohuw" (pronounced bo'-hoo) and means "to be empty or emptiness"

So it is written "haya tohuw bohuw" which is better translated: "Became an empty place"

I got all definitions out of the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Of The Bible


So why can't the world be 4 billion years old? And at the same time "We" be created by God? It don't say we were created 6 days after the world was created. It says we were created after the world "Became" void, no exact time that this happened is actually specified in the manuscripts.

All I know is this: When you take the hebrew text and translate it, all the Creationists "fairy tails" fall by the wayside and the actual truth shines through.

So there is a little teaser for you to consider.

P.S. Anyone who would like to learn more will have to pm me.

wow, now this is the stuff I've been looking for. I'll try to Google the Strong's concordance of the Bible. Unless you have a link?

Keep posting...

[okietalker]

because at the time that we arrived on the earth, the earth was not an empty place, it was in fact teeming with life. once life first appeared, it has remained, and the earth has not been empty since.

on a side note, it is a very good idea to attempt to understand the bible in the original hebrew (if you wish to actually study it). however, i would hope that you would actually have a working knowledge of hebrew before attempting to do so, otherwise you are just reading someone else's translation.

Although I can't just read Hebrew with a perfect understanding, I can hold my own against most.

[bigred]

Hebrew sounds cool. I mean, it sounds like a manly beer. I like that.

[boost]

there is no reason that a god couldnt have done all this... but there is also no reason to believe that one has. If we need a god to create this, then we need something to have created god.

Someone said it before, if one could have existed forever, then the other could have existed forever independantly.

Sure its possible, but to try and teach it in schools as fact is a little absurd.

[Greedo017]

there is no reason that a god couldnt have done all this... but there is also no reason to believe that one has. If we need a god to create this, then we need something to have created god.

Someone said it before, if one could have existed forever, then the other could have existed forever independantly.

Sure its possible, but to try and teach it in schools as fact is a little absurd.

Everyone who is being honest is agnostic. I can never know that there is no god, just as even a priest can't know that there is. Everything beyond that is just mental masturbation. If you see a picture of the virgin mary on your toast and "know" that there is a god, great. If you do some complex proof like god is good and people suffer therefore there is no god, and this let's you "know" that there is no god, great. but you're just spinning your wheels. you don't know shit either way, the rest is just opinion.

[lambchopdc]

or maybe we can talk about the philisophical implications of the theory of evolution and naturalism, which basically require life to have no point except to live for the sake of living. and seeing as how misserable the world is, that seems like a pretty worthless philosophy.

hmmmm....that sounds really funny to me.....for 18 years of my life I was brought up by my strict religious parents to believe creationism and this crap and by during my high school years I was depressed, lonely, and considered killing myself and ending my worthless life.....

Then i went to college, denounced religion, went on a massive binge of all the "brain-twisting" crazy ass drugs you can imagine, partied it up, stopped going to church, got some friends who actually gave a shit about me and not "what God thought", and came out on the other side realizing that everything my parents taught me was bullshit, and that even tho there isnt a God, life is enjoyable and does have a point that makes it worth living. Since then i've actually wanted to wake up every day.

What was that about evolution being worthless and God being better????

[mrhappy333]

Just an update. The Jehovah's stopped by my house this afternoon, sorry warpe, I didn't have time to take my clothes off, but one of the women that came was 18 and smokin hot!! Anyway,,,
I let them in to my house and we discussed the whole JW thing for an hour, then they left. I think they will be sending in reinforcements soon..
I hope the hot chick comes back.