Quote Originally Posted by sarbox68
Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy
fwiw, i am not liberal. i am merely new to liberal politics, and i am 100% against neo-republicans because they achieve the opposite of that which they say they will. for example, fiscal conservativism. yea, how many people are republicans because they want fiscal responsibility, and how much worse at fiscal responsibility are republicans than democrats?

also, the parties' policies have changed a bunch over the years. for example, repubs like to point out that lincoln was a repub. well yea he was but at that time repubs were the liberal party.
Actually, there's a significant segment of the republican party that consider small govt and fiscal conservatism an essential plank. Of course, GW is obv not one of 'em, and they got no love for him anyhoo. Point is, they're not the ones that get the press... it's the raving loonie "God hates homos" right fringe that the media loves to focus on cause, well, it's not really about educating anyone on anything meaningful, is it?

Same is true for the left... Uber-hypocritical hollywood aside, there's a significant segment of the liberal left that don't think gay marriage should be the defining bright line for who gets elected... that there are a few other things a bit more important... and have a few more substantive things to say than Michael Moorish "bush is antichrist... bad bad bad... arggghghhhhhhh!.... lets all move to Canada". (Actually, Moore's slide to irrelevance and demagoguery is pretty pathetic... the guy was a f-in genius with Roger and Me....)

So what do we get? A media that (for ratings sake) picks the loudest parts of the fringe from both parties and pounds us over the head with "these are your choices!"

bullsh!t....
i agree

however, what i was referring to was how many fiscally conservative voters still vote for the non-fiscally conservatives of the republican party. not to mention that the right wing leaning media hates fiscal conservatives.

ron paul is a great example of a real fiscal conservative, and he got wiped out by the controllers of his party. imo had faux noise and the powers in repub party embraced ron paul he would now be annihilating obama in the polls.