Let's talk about women in competitive games

[a500lbgorilla]

Yeah, you dug, I set, I was hoping JKDS would spike.

[wufwugy]

Is typing a different type of skill than typical gaming? Before she died, the fastest typist was a she, and from what I can tell she probably could have broken that record under the testing and training that the current holder has. I see no reason to think of it as any different from gaming. The hand eye coordination is there.

btw aubrey's mess around rate is high enough that she could probably compete for the world record with training. i thought i was fast when i hit 90 wpm drenched in sweat.

[wufwugy]

still i think the best explanation is testosterone. it's what gives men the desire to put in more hours and admit defeat less

[boost]

JKDS and Wuf, just reading through the thread you two seem to be being intentionally obtuse at times. Like the "Legos haven't been around long enough for us to evolve" line should be looked back at as a red flag for you JKDS. A ton of evidence has been posted that points towards gender roles being influenced by hormones, yet your only response is "nothing is proven, and it either is cultural or hormonal, so 50/50" along with "here's an anecdote."

I'm not saying you're wrong, but your position as you support it is weak.

[wufwugy]

JKDS and Wuf, just reading through the thread you two seem to be being intentionally obtuse at times. Like the "Legos haven't been around long enough for us to evolve" line should be looked back at as a red flag for you JKDS. A ton of evidence has been posted that points towards gender roles being influenced by hormones, yet your only response is "nothing is proven, and it either is cultural or hormonal, so 50/50" along with "here's an anecdote."

I'm not saying you're wrong, but your position as you support it is weak.

the stuff ive said is first semester statistics material.

i agree mostly with the idea that the best gamers come from the population of males for innate reasons. my issue arises when using data and statistics to say something they don't. for example, even if god almighty were to descend from his heavenly throne and bestow upon his children the knowledge that he indeed made women less good at gaming than men, the statistics we have to date could not be rightly used to draw that conclusion.

it's probably true, at least in some ways it's probably true, but extrapolation is bad business. even something as compelling as the larger standard deviations in male iq's is rife with confounding variables. we'd have to find a population of women that were raised exactly the same way as men and then test their iq's to see if the trend holds. and here's the thing, even if it still remained plausible that men have larger standard deviations in iq's, the trend would likely not be the same, as there would be some not-totally-predictable alteration in outcomes.

that said i think it is probably still true that there are more male intellect outliers than female ones. the funny thing is probably none of us are outliers

[boost]

the stuff ive said is first semester statistics material.

i agree mostly with the idea that the best gamers come from the population of males for innate reasons. my issue arises when using data and statistics to say something they don't. for example, even if god almighty were to descend from his heavenly throne and bestow upon his children the knowledge that he indeed made women less good at gaming than men, the statistics we have to date could not be rightly used to draw that conclusion.

it's probably true, at least in some ways it's probably true, but extrapolation is bad business. even something as compelling as the larger standard deviations in male iq's is rife with confounding variables. we'd have to find a population of women that were raised exactly the same way as men and then test their iq's to see if the trend holds. and here's the thing, even if it still remained plausible that men have larger standard deviations in iq's, the trend would likely not be the same, as there would be some not-totally-predictable alteration in outcomes.

that said i think it is probably still true that there are more male intellect outliers than female ones. the funny thing is probably none of us are outliers

Yeah, I think I lumped you in there then wrote a post aimed at JKDS.

@bold, ha. Not sure why this is so amusing to me, but I'm glad you tacked it on there.

[Lltyldide]

There are two things I usually try to avoid on this forum: joining the anti feminism circlejerk and encouraging Jesse. So let's two birds, one stone this bitch.

What makes this so interesting to me is that there are no exceptions. Well, there's one: Sasha Hostyn. Remarkable sc2 player, very nice girl, may or may not still have a penis. Just for the sake of this topic I'll not make her count.

There are a few girls in the top 0.01% of the global ladders. Potter from CLG:Red in CS:GO, Slayer's Eve in SC2. Elya in Dota2. None of them even make the top 500 in these games.
I am familiar with all the arguments. Women don't need to make themselves attractive, we already find them attractive. They have the create-a-life-purpose hole that makes it just too easy to cop out of all earthly competition, the cultural stigma, the way girls are raised. But none of these explain why there are none; No girls at all at the top level of competition. It also doesn't explain why the girls that come close the top level are neither butch nor dykes. They are all remarkably attractive. Please do explain.

may or may not still have a penis Althought you wrote here about women (I`m not a feminist), in poker, I think, women have much more chences to win because of the natural canning))

[spoonitnow]

may or may not still have a penis Althought you wrote here about women (I`m not a feminist), in poker, I think, women have much more chences to win because of the natural canning))

So you're saying their cans are the reason they win?

[oskar]

I honestly haven't even thought about poker. Did we ever, or do we currently have any female members that are consistent beyond low stakes? As far as I remember this forum is a huge sausage party outside of the commune.

[donkbee]

I honestly haven't even thought about poker. Did we ever, or do we currently have any female members that are consistent beyond low stakes? As far as I remember this forum is a huge sausage party outside of the commune.

I played THREE $1k turbo SnGs last year and won TWO of them! That means I've made it, right?

[oskar]

I played THREE $1k turbo SnGs last year and won TWO of them! That means I've made it, right?

turbos are for donks

[baudib]

Courtiebee

[oskar]

oh fuck I should have known that.
she's also on twitch
http://www.twitch.tv/courtiebee
everyone's on twitch these days.

[wufwugy]

poker is inherently a dude game. it's basically a different form of the "one-up" game (something boys do but girls don't. they play the "me too" game instead). as for succeeding in poker, i would describe that as one of the most testosterone infused things you can do. it requires a nutsack of adamantium and an inability to overly second-guess yourself. neither of which are common among the estrogenies.

[baudib]

nah

[wufwugy]

i should clarify that im not talking about grinding. that skill is the same kind you find in heavy gamers.

[baudib]

sick win rate Courtie

[oskar]

I've watched your stream yesterday for a bit. Then I watched some Dwan HU today, and I'm thinking it's time to play some poker again. And as soon as I remember where I put my secure key I'm cashing in my ftp's and start a roll again.
The game looks fun again.

[donkbee]

Nice, GL! And thanks for watching <3