LOL, FU boost

[Numbr2intheWorld]

opponent has been three betting me really light, he's a solid 19/16. I think my play was bad but i thought the chat was a little funny.

POKERSTARS GAME #8489866501: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/02/17 - 17:43:47 (ET)
Table 'Matterania II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: BHold ($99 in chips)
Seat 2: lcw4 ($124.80 in chips)
Seat 3: redgrape ($136.30 in chips)
Seat 4: JonnyCosMo ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: KYSlim05 ($124.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Managers3.5 ($84.30 in chips)
KYSlim05: posts small blind $0.50
KYSlim05 said, "it was good"
Managers3.5: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [9h Th]
BHold: folds
lcw4: folds
redgrape: raises $3 to $4
JonnyCosMo: raises $9 to $13
KYSlim05: folds
Managers3.5: folds
redgrape: calls $9
*** FLOP *** [Ks 8s Td]
redgrape: checks
JonnyCosMo: bets $21
redgrape: raises $102.30 to $123.30 and is all-in
JonnyCosMo said, "my boy said u might be a lil spewy"
JonnyCosMo said, "so im gonna think about this one"
redgrape said, "lol"
redgrape said, "who's your boy?"
JonnyCosMo said, "boostnslide"
JonnyCosMo: calls $66 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Ks 8s Td] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 8s Td Qd] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
redgrape: shows [9h Th] (two pair, Tens and Eights)
JonnyCosMo: shows [Tc Ah] (two pair, Tens and Eights - Ace kicker)

[IowaSkinsFan]

LOL

[ensign_lee]

oh wow. That sucks.

Way to suck. boost

[zook]

rofl. your brother and boost both screwed you.

[gabe]

cosmo is really gay and flaming in real life, if that makes you feel any better

[DaNutsInYoEye]

cosmo is really gay and flaming in real life, if that makes you feel any better

haha, you got pwned by a fag. feel better now?

[IowaSkinsFan]

Is cosmo Boost's brother or something? (If the gay comment is correct than clearly this isn't the case)

[Lukie]

I'd be careful what I wrote about boost, HE'LL KILL YOU

[UG]

yeah he's a mean mother fucker that boost

[boost]

lol wtf.. stupid cosmo. Weve chatted a bit about regs. Sorry if this upsets you. Im laughing right now though. Sorry if that upsets you.

Gabe you thought he was a flamer? I mean he was a starcraft playing asian, but he seemed like a nice guy. Did you not like him or did yo uthink he was coming on to one of us? Please clarify.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

lol wtf.. stupid cosmo. Weve chatted a bit about regs. Sorry if this upsets you. Im laughing right now though. Sorry if that upsets you.

Gabe you thought he was a flamer? I mean he was a starcraft playing asian, but he seemed like a nice guy. Did you not like him or did yo uthink he was coming on to one of us? Please clarify.

No, i'm fine. I'm surprised that i fine cause i' m in the middle of a huge downswing right now. I laughed out loud though.

I think it was a bad call by him anyway, so i'm glad he made, it in a sense (lol ok not really). My brother and i are kind of how we balance, he's the more crazy bluffy one and i'm more straight forward. Therefore people usually call me down, which = $$$ for me when i hit hands.

[WildBobAA]

I mean he was a starcraft playing asian

so he is awesome?

[boost]

I mean he was a starcraft playing asian

so he is awesome?

pretty much, yah.

[JonnyCosMo]

Cute thread I didnt make this call caz of boostNslide lol. It was more the fact that I had been waking up with a lot of hands in my 3 betting range everytime you raised in the 10 mins previous to this hand so I figured you might be getting frustrated. On top of that, your c/r all-in was almost instant like it was pre-planned (so you couldn't have a monster) and you almost never chat (atleast to me) at the table so like you kinda gave it away.

Ship it to the good guess!!

[IowaSkinsFan]

How are u acquainted with Lyric Johnny?

[bigred]

Cosmo, is this true?

cosmo is really gay and flaming in real life, if that makes you feel any better

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Cute thread I didnt make this call caz of boostNslide lol. It was more the fact that I had been waking up with a lot of hands in my 3 betting range everytime you raised in the 10 mins previous to this hand so I figured you might be getting frustrated. On top of that, your c/r all-in was almost instant like it was pre-planned (so you couldn't have a monster) and you almost never chat (atleast to me) at the table so like you kinda gave it away.

Ship it to the good guess!!

Actually you're probably right, i was down like $550 for the session, and it was a little pre-planned. I just wanted a good flop. Since you had showed down ATo before, i thought you could have a lot of crap and it would be an impossible call (especially if you have nothing). This is an Instapush with hands that are beating you though (AA or AK, and i do insta push those).

Anyways, i think Lyric explained it well when he said this was "Donk vs Donk." Both our plays are pretty bad IMO.

[JonnyCosMo]

Lyric is like my poker coach. And he's probably right, this is pretty brutal donk on donk violence, but I stand by that call with what I knew at the time. How is my play bad? Pretty standard stuff until the call.

And wtf who thinks I'm gay and flaming??

[gabe]

do you think that?

[Lukie]

I thought cosmo was a pretty cool guy when we met him in the bahamas.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

How is my play bad? Pretty standard stuff until the call.

threebetting ATo after showing down a three-bet ATo vs an aggro player was bad.

[Lukie]

How is my play bad? Pretty standard stuff until the call.

threebetting ATo after showing down a three-bet ATo vs an aggro player was bad.

just out of curiousity, what do you think JC's ideal preflop play is?

[gabe]

How is my play bad? Pretty standard stuff until the call.

threebetting ATo after showing down a three-bet ATo vs an aggro player was bad.

ATo is a pretty sweet hand. its ony the top of my button reraising range.

[boost]

And wtf who thinks I'm gay and flaming??

lolodramabomb

[gabe]

lol

[Numbr2intheWorld]

How is my play bad? Pretty standard stuff until the call.

threebetting ATo after showing down a three-bet ATo vs an aggro player was bad.

just out of curiousity, what do you think JC's ideal preflop play is?

a fold. I run 17.5/14.5, do you do this against someone like this?

[Lukie]

I think, in general, folding AT on the button to a CO opener is pretty bad honestly.

[Lukie]

How is my play bad? Pretty standard stuff until the call.

threebetting ATo after showing down a three-bet ATo vs an aggro player was bad.

just out of curiousity, what do you think JC's ideal preflop play is?

a fold. I run 17.5/14.5, do you do this against someone like this?

yes, I would frequently call or 3-bet pre in this spot. Look at this hand from the button's perspective, there are a lot of hands he can play in this particular spot, especially if he is a good post-flop player. Position is key here. One seat to the left (in the SB) I'd normally turbo muck this.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

you're correct that there are a lot of hands he can play here, i just don't think ATo is one of them. That's just my nitty ass preflop opinion.

[JonnyCosMo]

Ummm... My thinking was, you raised from the CO, I have ATo on the button... If I fold I might as well be as bad as the rest of those 2+2 nits that preach fold to any raise. If I call I might as well be your standard station that floats you on the flop but has no idea what you have so I play totally blind. If I 3 bet you well now I'm in control and I have more information vs your exact style of play than the other two stats. And in my expierence there isn't a single NL100 player that can play a big pots out of position correctly anyways. They either super nit up and fold to any type of bet, or super aggro donk it and pre-plan a play preflop. Someone wanna explain to me how 3 betting ATo in that spot is bad again?

[IowaSkinsFan]

Ummm... My thinking was, you raised from the CO, I have ATo on the button... If I fold I might as well be as bad as the rest of those 2+2 nits that preach fold to any raise. If I call I might as well be your standard station that floats you on the flop but has no idea what you have so I play totally blind. If I 3 bet you well now I'm in control and I have more information vs your exact style of play than the other two stats. And in my expierence there isn't a single NL100 player that can play a big pots out of position correctly anyways. They either super nit up and fold to any type of bet, or super aggro donk it and pre-plan a play preflop. Someone wanna explain to me how 3 betting ATo in that spot is bad again?

You're right, I think three betting in pos versus nitty 2p2er's is a great idea, I do it a lot, but all Massimo is saying is this is one of the worser hands to balance out your threebetting range with. Pretty much everytime you threebet light you are going to make a bluff at almost all flops. with ATo hits most flops for hands he plays. On the other hand, a hand like 87s is hitting what most of their ranges aren't, and making it harder for overpairs to fold.
Massimo is saying he'd raise with a lot of hands here, just not ATo, and I agree.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

And i guess it also depends on how well you think you can play me, and obviously you think i'm a spewtard so...

haha, seriously, no hard feelings.

[Lukie]

Ummm... My thinking was, you raised from the CO, I have ATo on the button... If I fold I might as well be as bad as the rest of those 2+2 nits that preach fold to any raise. If I call I might as well be your standard station that floats you on the flop but has no idea what you have so I play totally blind. If I 3 bet you well now I'm in control and I have more information vs your exact style of play than the other two stats. And in my expierence there isn't a single NL100 player that can play a big pots out of position correctly anyways. They either super nit up and fold to any type of bet, or super aggro donk it and pre-plan a play preflop. Someone wanna explain to me how 3 betting ATo in that spot is bad again?

You're right, I think three betting in pos versus nitty 2p2er's is a great idea, I do it a lot, but all Massimo is saying is this is one of the worser hands to balance out your threebetting range with. Pretty much everytime you threebet light you are going to make a bluff at almost all flops. with ATo hits most flops for hands he plays. On the other hand, a hand like 87s is hitting what most of their ranges aren't, and making it harder for overpairs to fold.
Massimo is saying he'd raise with a lot of hands here, just not ATo, and I agree.

why? (bolded part)

you mean we can't check back when somebody calls OOP with an uber tight range, or when we flop a crappy top pair?

[boost]

lolo starcraft flamers vs the twins

DING DING DING, ROUND ONE!

[Lukie]

starcraft was the best game ever, hands down

[mcatdog]

with ATo hits most flops for hands he plays. On the other hand, a hand like 87s is hitting what most of their ranges aren't, and making it harder for overpairs to fold.
Massimo is saying he'd raise with a lot of hands here, just not ATo, and I agree.

People say this a lot but I never really understood the logic. Are you putting him on AK or AQ 100% of the time he calls the 3-bet OOP? Why can't he be calling with something like 88 or 99 which have small suited connectors owned, but ATo is a coin flip against? And as for post-flop playability, I think it's not that bad in position because if he's calling you with a medium pocket pair it's not so he can check-fold a ten-high flop. You'll probably end up winning a big pot, in that scenario.

[IowaSkinsFan]

How much is 88/99 calling a bet on a flop with an A in it? My problem with AT is when we bet and get called we are barely ever ahead and can get into tough spots (AAx, AKT,AQT, Axx). With a hand like 87s, its different, no flops it hits are ever hard to get away from or have reverse implied (I can't really think of any).

[gabe]

you people should start reraising every hand you want to play from now on and you might get a better idea for the dynamics involved.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

starcraft was the best game ever, hands down

True.

[IowaSkinsFan]

you people should start reraising every hand you want to play from now on and you might get a better idea for the dynamics involved.

Been there done that.
It's amazing how many 100NLer's will call a raise OOP with 86s.

[gabe]

thats not very bad though if people always stack off with 2pTK

and you say 'been there done that' like youve done it and dont intend on doing it again because you've mastered it, which can't be the case

[JonnyCosMo]

Maybe I run too good to see that it's bad? LOL...