Make your case: transgender, transracial

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Idk of wuf believes what he's been saying for the past year, or if he's just committed to a "debate style" of posting where you deny and obfuscate bad points and put all the good ones in the best frame...without consideration for truth

[wufwugy]

Idk of wuf believes what he's been saying for the past year, or if he's just committed to a "debate style" of posting where you deny and obfuscate bad points and put all the good ones in the best frame...without consideration for truth

Examples?

Two things: (1) Taking me to task can be a task because I typically cover my bases and can argue my points well. It isn't enough for somebody to see something wrong with my points, but they have to beat them through their arguments. When they do, I concede and gladly state that I concede. I don't argue things I believe to be false and I argue things I believe to be true with tenaciousness. I imagine arguing with me can be quite frustrating because of some of the tactics I use, but they are legitimate (examples include things like framing my argument so that it's on offense and appropriation of quality elements of the counter-party that can fit into my argument). I never knowingly obfuscate or ignore facts/veracity.

(2) I trolled once. It was to an ex whom I wanted to stop bugging me. She thinks I'm a Nazi now.

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Examples?

Two things: (1) Taking me to task can be a task because I typically cover my bases and can argue my points well. It isn't enough for somebody to see something wrong with my points, but they have to beat them through their arguments. When they do, I concede and gladly state that I concede. I don't argue things I believe to be false and I argue things I believe to be true with tenaciousness. I imagine arguing with me can be quite frustrating because of some of the tactics I use, but they are legitimate (examples include things like framing my argument so that it's on offense and appropriation of quality elements of the counter-party that can fit into my argument). I never knowingly obfuscate or ignore facts/veracity.

If you feel that you use tactics which are frustrating to the people you are having a discussion with, don't you think you're leaving a ton of truth value on the table?

(2) I trolled once. It was to an ex whom I wanted to stop bugging me. She thinks I'm a Nazi now.

haha, this is awesome.

[wufwugy]

If you feel that you use tactics which are frustrating to the people you are having a discussion with, don't you think you're leaving a ton of truth value on the table?

I think what I mean to say is that when something moves from discussion to debate, I more or less charge forward. I really enjoy argumentation, but I acknowledge that others may not enjoy it as much and can find it frustrating. I'll acknowledge that I probably turn things into debates more often than they should. I probably do that because to me everything is just a debate waiting to happen. Also, I deeply value debate because it has been one of the most important knowledge and character developers of my life. For example, back when I was still pseudo-Christian, I had some epic debates with some atheists, which I consider them having won and I subsequently incorporated their views into my life.