the massacre at Haditha

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They were the ruling force and were ousted, as opposed to the situation in Iraq where an outside nation has invaded, and the Iraqi people are simply attempting to defend their country from this outside invader.

Imagine if you will, that the US has in 10 years been invaded by China, and the Chinese go to the world community and claim that due to the corrupt, unstable leadership in the US that they were a threat to the safety of the Chinese and preemptive action was necessary to safeguard the chinese way of life. its not too far fetched given the US record of aggression towards certain countries and their possession of large stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.
would you take up arms against the larger, better trained, and better equipped chinese army and do everything in your power to try to free your country from this evil invader?? I think you would. Would you take them on in a full frontal assault (where you would be slaughtered) or would you attempt to use guerilla tactics, which are really your only possible means of success?

the answers are quite clear, but since it is happening in Iraq they are insurgents, not freedom fighters.
aren't double standards fun.

I have to stop reading these forums because fucktards like you make my eyes bleed.

1) The TERRORISTS are not "defending" their country against an invading army. That would ONLY be true if the majority of the Iraqi people were involved in attacks on our troops. Unfortunately for you and your ridiculous arguments, that is not the case. The vast majority of Iraqi's are glad that we took out Saddam and gave them their country back. It's unfortunate that NONE of the positive stories coming out of Iraq are reported because it doesn't fit into the agenda of those reporting the war. "If it burns, it leads" is their mantra and they are sticking to that.

2) Your equally ridiculous argument about China invading the US is even less valid. If the US goverment was gassing its own citizens, raping women in designated "rape rooms" and abducting citizens in the middle of the night in order to execute them, then I would be THRILLED that China, or ANYONE for that matter, would come in and stop them. Since that's not happening, shut up.

3) And "double standards" aren't nearly as fun as blind stupidity. Fortunately, there are no double standards, just lame attempts by someone who hates this country to villify its military, its people, its commander in chief, and its very ideals. The Founding Fathers did not strap explosives under their powdered wigs and go to the local livery and blow up everyone there: men, women, and children, none of whom were military combatants. Had they intentionally targeted civilians, then your argument would be valid but again, not even close.

Let me make this clear in case you might have not been able to glean this from the text: Everyone has a right to their opinions and to voice them. However, it's people like you (those with either dangerously ignorant or even more dangerously subversive agendas) that make me feel sorry for the kids who are going to have to live in what's left of this nation after you and your kind are finished with it. The day is coming where America will NOT be that great light on a hill and we won't be a wealthy nation that is envied around the world. We'll be just like everyone else...but that's what you want, isn't it?

this should be fun.

1) so if a majority of people do not take up arms, then those who do are not defending their country?? I am sure that the vast majority of iraqis are glad that saddam is gone, but they are not glad that the US is continuing its occupation.

2) granted, the US government doesnt do quite that bad of stuff (although it should be pointed out that all of that stuff was going on in Iraq while Saddam and Rumsfeld were shaking hands. and that gas he used, he got it from the US) but it has done some pretty nasty shit. internment camps for Americans of Japanese descent during WW2. the governments complicity in allowing large corporations to poison citizens (a la Erin Brokovich). but it is true, the majority of human rights abuses committed by the US are committed against other people in other countries (such as pretty well any south american country, cambodia, etc.) which I guess makes them better in your eyes.

3) I don't hate your country, but it is nice to see that the intentional targeting of civilians is what makes a terrorist a terrorist. so your marines in haditha are now terrorists by your definition. its a half decent one by the way. as an aside: "Colonial protest was widespread. Secret societies known as the Sons of Liberty were formed in every colony, and used propaganda, intimidation, and mob violence to prevent the enforcement of the Stamp Act" "The HMS Gaspée, a British ship that had been vigorously enforcing unpopular trade regulations (the Navigation Acts), ran aground on June 9, 1772, off of Narragansett Bay in Rhode Island, while chasing the packet boat Hannah. In an act of defiance that gained considerable notoriety, the ship was attacked, boarded, stripped of valuables and torched by American patriots, who later denied knowing about the entire affair." . and those are just the things that are well known. the winning side never publishes its atrocities. but i would wager good money that people loyal to the crown were targeted for voilence and intimidation.

and lastly, america is not a "light on a hill" as you put it. what sort of a beacon would that be. a beacon of corrupt leaders, a country filled with people who can barely read or write due to a horrible public education system, a country that doesnt think poor people deserve to see doctors (universal healthcare), and a country that has deserted the principles upon which it was supposedly founded (separation of church and state, all men created equal [although for this one, since black people werent originally classified as people, i guess they are being true to the spirit of the law, not its words]). lets also mention a harbourer of terrorists. there is a man living comfortably in florida who was responsible for the destruction of a Cuban civilian airliner, killing many people, many civilians. he is known to the government, but nothing is done. of course it helps that he was paid a large sum of money by the CIA, but hey, thats some beacon youve got there.