NFL DRAFT

[shanbo]

anybody watching the NFL draft today? I will be from wire to wire! The Packers must rock.

[gabe]

redskins woohoo

[mcatdog]

I think the draft is pretty boring, but I usually watch it anyway just because I miss my football during this time of year. It seems like some people look forward to it more than the actual season which I don't understand.

[lolzzz_321]

go vhiegs weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[UG]

way to go Lions gg

[gabe]

wtf are the redskins doingggg

[WildBobAA]

we suck

lol @ brady quinn

[q49z321]

wtf are the redskins doingggg

1) Draft Laron Landry
2) ???
3) Domination?

well, i'm a chiefs fan. and they need o-line & wr's, so, they'll probably draft a cb or dt or some stoopid shit. worried about how damon huard will perform as a starter if they end up trading trent green to the doophins, meh, how can any quarterback perform without a decent o-line? sackfest 2007 coming right up.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Landry was a good pick. I would rather have had them trade down and take a defensive lineman... But we're gonna have a real sick secondary this year.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Yeah I'm excited for our secondary this year. I mean it could be a disaster but it could be awesome.

[lolzzz_321]

Chiefs ?Brady Quinn?

[Zee Devee]

anybody watching the NFL draft today? I will be from wire to wire! The Packers must rock.

Hell yea dude another pack fan!!!

[UG]

Chiefs ?Brady Quinn?

That'd be awesome.

Carl Peterson (Chiefs' GM) said he'd take him if he fell to 23rd....


Holla?

[lolzzz_321]

Holla, so I guess unless a trade happens....

[shanbo]

anybody watching the NFL draft today? I will be from wire to wire! The Packers must rock.

Hell yea dude another pack fan!!!

I thought everyone was a Packer fan!

[lolzzz_321]

maybe dallasssssssss

[lolzzz_321]

clutch trade

[dthorne04]

gg brady quinn, finally. cleveland traded up and took the cowboys' pick in 22nd.

he should've never fell this far...

i'm disappointed to see all these safeties disappearing...eagles need to snag one up...most likely though, merriweather is gonna get picked up, which is a great pick, actually. he's an animal.

lol@the lions.

i'm pretty sure buffalo has a monkey as their GM.

lol@the dolphins.

this has been an interesting and weird draft so far.

[Fortune 500]

Agreed. I'm a Browns fan...

I wasn't sold that Quinn was worth #3 overall, but he's a great value at 22. I don't like giving up your #1 next year to move up... BUT, if you truly think he's worth the #3 overall, then it's a wise move.

[q49z321]

would've been interesting to see if the chiefs would've taken quinn if dallas hadn't traded. maybe they would've traded their pick. maybe, maybe, maybe, if, if, if. as it stands, wr is goot. maybe get some o-line next round, we'll see what happens. i'm pleased with d. bowe, hope it pans out.

[dthorne04]

sigh@merriweather being drafted

[JL]

Go Canucks go!

[shanbo]

Will the Packers friggin pick somebody instead of trading all their damn picks!

[IowaSkinsFan]

Wtf is with the philadelphia pick?

[Lukie]

Chiefs ?Brady Quinn?

That'd be awesome.

Carl Peterson (Chiefs' GM) said he'd take him if he fell to 23rd....


Holla?

holla back son

[UG]

Bowe is okay for the Chiefs, we haven't had a decent WR in like, well, forever?

Dammit I wanted to see Brady Quinn in red......the Chiefs would have picked him for sure if he fell to 23.

[bigred]

Moss for a 4th round pick, lol. We are winning the super bowl this year.

[dthorne04]

jesus christ. patriots just murdered the offseason.

and ffs, i hate being an eagles fan. granted, last years draft pwned hard. and should pay off this year...still sketchy on this year though...QB with the their first pick? WHYYY

[IowaSkinsFan]

H.B. blades late round steal for skins.
As well as jordan palmer, i was happy with late rounds.

[Lukie]

jesus christ. patriots just murdered the offseason.

and ffs, i hate being an eagles fan. granted, last years draft pwned hard. and should pay off this year...still sketchy on this year though...QB with the their first pick? WHYYY

look no further than D Mcnabb's history of playoff chokes and season ending injuries

[mcatdog]

Moss for a 4th round pick, lol. We are winning the super bowl this year.

They sure look like the favorites right now, but I don't think any team is ever >50% to win the Super Bowl in the NFL.

I think the Colts could hang with this team if we hadn't lost both of our starting cornerbacks, but it's going to be tough with the scrubs we have in our secondary now (other than Bob Sanders).

[bigred]

Tom Brady with real receivers has resulted in multiple super bowls. Hell, we almost did it this year without a real receiver on the team.

[Lukie]

Tom Brady with real receivers has resulted in multiple super bowls. Hell, we almost did it this year without a real receiver on the team.

I thought Roche Caldwell was an elite receiver!???

[bigred]

LOL

[Silly String]

I think the Colts could hang with this team if we hadn't lost both of our starting cornerbacks, but it's going to be tough with the scrubs we have in our secondary now (other than Bob Sanders).

I don't think the PASS defense is what you should be worried about. . .

[Lukie]

I think the Colts could hang with this team if we hadn't lost both of our starting cornerbacks, but it's going to be tough with the scrubs we have in our secondary now (other than Bob Sanders).

I don't think the PASS defense is what you should be worried about. . .

at least they addressed the pressing need of slot receiver in the draft!

In all seriousness though, I think AG will be a great fit for the Colts. In many ways, I like him more than Ginn to be honest. He has underrated speed, sure hands, and is VERY smart. He was a 4.0 student at OSU and has his head on right. I expect him to be an important part of the Colts offense come post-season.

Also, given the Colts defense, I wouldn't be super concerned about the CB position. IMO the safeties are more important in Dungy's cover 2 scheme.

About the Moss trade, I think too many people are making too big of a deal about it. The guy is clearly past his prime, but I'll admit, if he can be even a shadow of his former self, it will be a great trade. I like the trade (from both perspectives) right now, but Moss hasn't done anything on the field the last 2 years. I understand the situation in Oakland so there's a chance that he could surprise all of us (well, surprise me).

If I were a New England fan, I'd be a lot more excited about the FA addition of Adalius Thomas. This guy is a monster, and Belichick will have a field day with his amazing versatility.

[swiggidy]

Agreed. I'm a Browns fan...

I wasn't sold that Quinn was worth #3 overall, but he's a great value at 22. I don't like giving up your #1 next year to move up... BUT, if you truly think he's worth the #3 overall, then it's a wise move.

This trade pisses me off. Especially since the rest is soo good (addressing important holes). I feel like they're mortgaging the future to win now because Crennel/Savage are on the hotseat. Quinn won ZERO important games in college, he almost cries because he's not a top 5 pick. Is this person going to be successful in the NFL? I say no chance.

If the browns finish 8-8 this may, MAY be a decent trade. If they're 6-10 and Quinn sucks because the line is shaky, and Dallas gets a top 10 pick I'm fucking done with the Browns.

I like the team, but don't like the players as is:
Edwards: hot-headed, talks shit, hasn't performed yet
Winslow: nuff said
Lewis: Dealing cocaine while making millions in the NFL? His thugness was a good fit in Baltimore

[mcatdog]

I don't think the PASS defense is what you should be worried about. . .

Sure it is. It wasn't last year when we had one good CB and one average one, but now we have nothing but underachievers and unproven players. The run defense is still bad but it improved greatly toward the end of the season.

Also, I was talking about how we match up against the Patriots who have one of the five worst running games in the league and one of the best passing games. Why would I be more worried about the run defense against them?

at least they addressed the pressing need of slot receiver in the draft!

Actually, the Colts did need another receiver. After Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne we have...no one. The Colts' offense works because we have a large number of receiving threats and no QB in the NFL is able to keep track of all of them and find the open man the way Peyton Manning can. It's not a coincidence that the Colts' slump last year coincided with Dallas Clark's injury. When Manning and Wayne were the only threats, teams just double-teamed them on every play and the offense struggled. It wasn't the defense's fault that we lost 20-17 to the Titans.

Also, given the Colts defense, I wouldn't be super concerned about the CB position. IMO the safeties are more important in Dungy's cover 2 scheme.

While this is true, our safeties (other than Bob Sanders who misses 8+ games a year) are no great prize either. Antoine Bethea is only in his second year and Marlin Jackson has been a disappointment so far.

[Sprayed]

Agreed. I'm a Browns fan...

I wasn't sold that Quinn was worth #3 overall, but he's a great value at 22. I don't like giving up your #1 next year to move up... BUT, if you truly think he's worth the #3 overall, then it's a wise move.

This trade pisses me off. Especially since the rest is soo good (addressing important holes). I feel like they're mortgaging the future to win now because Crennel/Savage are on the hotseat. Quinn won ZERO important games in college, he almost cries because he's not a top 5 pick. Is this person going to be successful in the NFL? I say no chance.

If the browns finish 8-8 this may, MAY be a decent trade. If they're 6-10 and Quinn sucks because the line is shaky, and Dallas gets a top 10 pick I'm fucking done with the Browns.

I like the team, but don't like the players as is:
Edwards: hot-headed, talks shit, hasn't performed yet
Winslow: nuff said
Lewis: Dealing cocaine while making millions in the NFL? His thugness was a good fit in Baltimore

Quinn is a punk ass arrogant fuck. Don't like him never will. The Browns will always suck IMO if they keep making stupid picks. As for Smith, kind of glad he went late to take the pressure off of being a first rounder.

[Miffed22001]

random brit ramble on a foootball thread....

but are there any like NFL management games out there for PC or something?
Theres eastside manager for hockey and some baseball one but not for football that i can find to play in the uk
(first one to post madden is a n00b)

[Lukie]

hey now, I hate notre dame as much as any other sensible person out there, but give Quinn a chance. He has more talent than Frye ever will, is a hard worker, and has his head on straight. I know we gave up a lot to get him, but only time will tell if it was a good move. I wanted Thomas (Quinn #2) and couldn't be happier that we got both.

mcatdog, I actually like the gonzo pick. Read the rest of my post.

About the Colts defense, there are obvious holes in it but those are largely covered up with such a stellar offense that scores so many points and keeps the defense off the field for long periods of time. The scheme relies on a ferocious pass rush and tough corners that can come up to support the run and play short zones, NOT to have superb cover corners that play the deep zones-- that is largely the safeties job in dungy's scheme. It was when he was in tampa and still is.

[bigred]

Can we talk more about Tom Brady? He's sexy.

[dthorne04]

jesus christ. patriots just murdered the offseason.

and ffs, i hate being an eagles fan. granted, last years draft pwned hard. and should pay off this year...still sketchy on this year though...QB with the their first pick? WHYYY

look no further than D Mcnabb's history of playoff chokes and season ending injuries

man, i live and die with this fucking team, and i've had to watch it year after year, but honestly, i think their best chance still lies with him, for a long time. he's a player. i want more than anything for the day to come where he wins them a championship...though, the rumors about him being a complete baby about this are disheartening. not shocking, but disheartening. allegedly he hasn't responded to a single phone call from andy reid and company. hi dere team disharmony round 2. getting inspired by this rather than being a bitch would be positively super, ty donovan.

i would really love if he'd shed this fucking baby complex, stay healthy for one year, and just win us a fucking championship. jesus.

on another note, this is the worst draft i can remember in a long time, from the outside looking in. granted, our history of busts is fucking notorious. god. i'm on utter life tilt. why can't they do things right? they had other spots to address, such as their secondary, which they foolishly waited until the later rounds to get. granted, the picks they really wanted were gone by the time their pick hit them, which is why i presume they traded down. but god. talk about shitcanning the draft.

</life tlit>

[ensign_lee]

madden. duh?

ALSO, GO AMOBI-(won) OKOYE!

[Lukie]

jesus christ. patriots just murdered the offseason.

and ffs, i hate being an eagles fan. granted, last years draft pwned hard. and should pay off this year...still sketchy on this year though...QB with the their first pick? WHYYY

look no further than D Mcnabb's history of playoff chokes and season ending injuries

man, i live and die with this fucking team, and i've had to watch it year after year, but honestly, i think their best chance still lies with him, for a long time. he's a player. i want more than anything for the day to come where he wins them a championship...though, the rumors about him being a complete baby about this are disheartening. not shocking, but disheartening. allegedly he hasn't responded to a single phone call from andy reid and company. hi dere team disharmony round 2. getting inspired by this rather than being a bitch would be positively super, ty donovan.

i would really love if he'd shed this fucking baby complex, stay healthy for one year, and just win us a fucking championship. jesus.

on another note, this is the worst draft i can remember in a long time, from the outside looking in. granted, our history of busts is fucking notorious. god. i'm on utter life tilt. why can't they do things right? they had other spots to address, such as their secondary, which they foolishly waited until the later rounds to get. granted, the picks they really wanted were gone by the time their pick hit them, which is why i presume they traded down. but god. talk about shitcanning the draft.

</life tlit>

I think McNabb is a good player when he's on the field, but as an outsider, I can see the train of thought behind getting a good young QB. If you can't stay on the field, you aren't any good for your team. I know McNabb is somewhat of an icon in philly, but sometimes you have to look past that and make good football decisions.

One thing about the Eagles though, it seems like any QB they put back there does well. I remember 4 years or so ago, they were on their 3rd stringer (AJ Feeley maybe?) and he was playing well and winning games. I didn't follow the NFL as much back then as I do now, but you even saw it this year when Garcia came in and played lights out. I was shocked when you guys didn't re-sign him for a year or two.

As long as Reid is the coach and the organization (correctly) puts a lot of emphasis on the trenches, I think the QB position will have success there.

[Lukie]

madden. duh?

ALSO, GO AMOBI-(won) OKOYE!

ha, and to think at the end of the season (before his stock started soaring), I wanted this kid in the 2nd after thomas in the 1st.

yeah

[flomo]

PATRIOTS WILL WIN ON FEB 3 2008

[Lukie]

PATRIOTS WILL WIN ON FEB 3 2008

I'll bet you any amount of money up to $50k that they won't.

[swiggidy]

As long as ... the organization (correctly) puts a lot of emphasis on the trenches, I think the QB position will have success there.

This is also what I don't like about the Quinn trade. Success in the NFL doesn't come from a great quarterback (which I doubt Quinn even is). It comes from a good quarterback playing behind a great line.

Likely Quinn gets hurt because the line is still weak (although getting better) and never realizes whatever potential he may/may not have.

[Sprayed]

I don't see what the hype is on this kid. He didn't win any big games at ND. The popularity of ND and their players/coaches makes me vomit.

[UG]

They say, "defense wins championships." How good was the Notre Dame defense for the four years Brady Quinn was there? How good were the receivers that Quinn had surrounding him? Put Brady Quinn in the USC system with the badass defenses they've had and I gurarentee that you're singing a different tune here.

What about the playmakers on offense? Again, to use USC as an example....what if Quinn had the weapons at Notre Dame that Leinert had while he was at USC?

[swiggidy]

I see/know your point, my feelings ...

1) Tim Couch won important games with Kentucky which wasn't a stacked team
2) The Browns could potentially (likely IMO) use this pick next year to improve the defense, which wins championships
3) First Round "Franchise Quarterbacks" usually aren't

[UG]

Wasn't Tim Couch a big puss, though, from like day one? I didn't follow him very much but it seemed like I remember him having all of the physical tools for being a great NFL QB, but he didn't have the mental toughness for the game. I could be way off there.

I see that's where Quinn is different. He's played 46 games on national television. He played for Notre Dame, a team where if you don't love them.....you *hate* them. He was in the spotlight all the time and did well for himself. I think he could have done better if he had more talent around him, but that's for another discussion...

I think it goes back to what you said a few lines up, about a good quarterback with a great line can do some damage in this league.....I hope he gets his chance and turns into a Tom Brady-like guy for the Browns instead of a David Carr-like guy for the Texans.


P.S. For the "good QB with a great offensive line doing great things in this league," look no further than Kansas City's Trent Green. He lit the league up for 3-4 years while he had a great line.

[flomo]

PATRIOTS WILL WIN ON FEB 3 2008

I'll bet you any amount of money up to $50k that they won't.

what team are you picking?

[swiggidy]

crap, I forgot to add this at the end of my last post...

I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

So, UG, I hope you're right.

[Lukie]

They say, "defense wins championships." How good was the Notre Dame defense for the four years Brady Quinn was there? How good were the receivers that Quinn had surrounding him? Put Brady Quinn in the USC system with the badass defenses they've had and I gurarentee that you're singing a different tune here.

What about the playmakers on offense? Again, to use USC as an example....what if Quinn had the weapons at Notre Dame that Leinert had while he was at USC?

these are good points... IMO one of the big knocks on Quinn being that he never won a big game is somewhat unfair to him. It's part of why all the hype around Notre Dame always disgusted me.. look no further then games vs teams like USC, OSU, Michigan, and LSU, all of which are on a clear level ABOVE ND.

As a prospect, I think he is comparable to someone like Leinart, better than Alex Smith (#1 overall in '05) was, and not quite as good as J Russell. Of course I don't claim to be a draft expert, but I also think a lot of people would agree with me.

About the line, it's been a huge weakness ever since the Browns came back in '99, and part of the reason why they have consistently been so terrible. When Thomas comes into his own though, we have the potential to have an elite left side with Thomas, Steinbach, and (fingers crossed) Bentley, probably in '08. Fraley is a servicable center as is. I'm not sold on Tucker OR Shaffer at all but they may be able to hold down the fort. I'm not sure how the right side is going to pan out honestly, but Seth McKinney is good depth in the middle.

I'm going to go down as saying that we will have an average line in '07, and the best since our return.

[ensign_lee]

They say, "defense wins championships." How good was the Notre Dame defense for the four years Brady Quinn was there? How good were the receivers that Quinn had surrounding him? Put Brady Quinn in the USC system with the badass defenses they've had and I gurarentee that you're singing a different tune here.

What about the playmakers on offense? Again, to use USC as an example....what if Quinn had the weapons at Notre Dame that Leinert had while he was at USC?

USC = badass defense? WHAAA???

Let's recount: Rose Bowl NC vs. Texas. Gave a ridiculous amount of points.
Rose Bowl last year vs. Michigan. Also gave up a ridiculous amount of points. Whaaaa?

[UG]

They say, "defense wins championships." How good was the Notre Dame defense for the four years Brady Quinn was there? How good were the receivers that Quinn had surrounding him? Put Brady Quinn in the USC system with the badass defenses they've had and I gurarentee that you're singing a different tune here.

What about the playmakers on offense? Again, to use USC as an example....what if Quinn had the weapons at Notre Dame that Leinert had while he was at USC?

USC = badass defense? WHAAA???

Let's recount: Rose Bowl NC vs. Texas. Gave a ridiculous amount of points.
Rose Bowl last year vs. Michigan. Also gave up a ridiculous amount of points. Whaaaa?

Ohh, my bad, you're still mad because the Houston Texans front office apparently missed the game where Vince Young was unbelieveable. There aren't many college defenses past/present/future that would be able to hold him (and the Texas offense) down on that night...

As for Michigan, they're not too bad either (lots of playmakers on offense). Two games do not make a bad defense.

Over time Notre Dame got *torn up* by high-power offenses because they didn't have the playmakers on defense that other programs around the country have. Look at all of their bowl games. They're going to get recruits in now that Weis is there, but it's going to take a while...

Just a question, but how many people have been drafted from USC's defense the last few years? I'd be they're in the Top 5 in the country, if not Top 3.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I don't understand how with bentley, steinbach, and thomas you guys wouldn't have a great O-Line? Bentley is an all pro.

[Lukie]

I don't understand how with bentley, steinbach, and thomas you guys wouldn't have a great O-Line? Bentley is an all pro.

thomas is a rookie, bentley had a career threatening injury AND staph infection and was out all of last year, and might be out this year as well and his career is in jeopardy.

[ensign_lee]

UG: Ouch, below the belt. WTF? I hate you.

Look at USC's scores all year. Don't tell me they have a defense...

[mcatdog]

I'm going to go down as saying that we will have an average line in '07, and the best since our return.

Considering the amount of money you guys have invested in the line, that's the least you should be hoping for IMO.

[Lukie]

I'm going to go down as saying that we will have an average line in '07, and the best since our return.

Considering the amount of money you guys have invested in the line, that's the least you should be hoping for IMO.

lol yeah... bentley hurt, shaffer a bust, andruzzi WAYWAYWAY past his prime, tucker not playing because of a 'mental disorder', etc etc etc. Such is the life of a cleveland sports fan.

another thing worth mentioning is that it's a line built almost entirely through free agency. It's about time the organization starts realizing it needs to be built primarily through the draft. Joe Thomas is a good start at that, although I love the steinbach signing because he's still young and has his best years ahead of him. Bentley too, although logic dictates that he won't ever be the same player he once was.

[Lukie]

by the way, good read that I found on PFT about the McNabb situation. It pretty much sums up my thoughts perfectly.

POSTED 9:07 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 11:26 a.m. EDT, May 2, 2007

McNABB, REID GET TOGETHER

Sal Paolantonio of ESPN reported on Tuesday night that Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb and coach Andy Reid had an extended "heart-to-heart" discussion on Tuesday regarding the team's decision to select quarterback Kevin Kolb in the second round of the 2007 draft, and what the move means.

It was the first time they had talked since Reid left McNabb a voice message on Saturday telling the veteran quarterback "not to worry."

Apparently, McNabb wasn't worried -- he was pissed off.

Paolantonio says that the specific content of the discussion is unknown, but that it was described as "frank and open" by someone who was not in the room for the meeting.

Reid is expected to speak to the media on May 12. McNabb could talk to reporters then, or he might choose to wait until training camp.

Now, for our take on this whole ordeal.

Can someone tell us when Donovan McNabb became the coach, G.M., president, or owner of this team? Because we missed the news release.

Why does McNabb have this organization clutched by the short and curlies? The mere fact that the organization feels compelled to walk on eggshells around him makes us think that the time has come for a change.

And why should McNabb get a double-extra helping of deference from the team, the media, or anyone? Because of the Super Bowls he has won? Because of the MVP awards on his mantle?

In our view, McNabb is a good quarterback with periodic flashes of greatnesses but who has yet to deliver when it counts the most, and whose body gives out on him too frequently for him to be the long-term solution for a team that is securing its young talent well into the next decade.

The fans simply want a winning team, and an NFL championship would be nice. McNabb is becoming too much of a distraction, both due to his quiet-but-obvious selfishness and his proneness to injury.

Think about the comments that periodically come from his parents. Surely, McNabb has the ability to get them to put a sock in it, if he so chooses. By not telling them to mind their business, McNabb is creating the impression that they are his messengers as to subjects on which he's not ready to get his hands dirty.

The mere fact that the team drafted Kolb tells us that the organization has at least had the internal conversation as to whether McNabb is the long-term solution. The manner in which McNabb reacts to this latest development could go a long way toward helping the powers-that-be make their decision.

[UG]

UG: Ouch, below the belt. WTF? I hate you.

Look at USC's scores all year. Don't tell me they have a defense...

It was meant to be a shot, but in a funny ha-ha sort of way...didn't mean to be offensive.

USC's defense was ranked 20th in yards per game last year. If they ran a more ball-controlled offense it would have been even better. They were 11th in scoring defense as well, which shows they were pretty badass. They played in the pass-happy Pac 10 where yards/points will be given up on a regular basis.

Notre Dame was ranked 65th and 67th in both of those categories and played cupcakes all year long besides a few games.

The 2006 version of USC was not as good as say '03, '04, and '05 for sure...but it was still pretty damn good, way better than Notre Dame's. A guy like Quinn coming out of that school would be held in the same regard as Leinert was, if not higher. Leinert made the mistake of coming out one year too late, so he slipped from an (almost) guarenteed #1 pick to #11, but he's done okay as a pro so far...

I guess I was just arguing the comment of "Quinn never won any big games." QB's can win big games.....but QB's can't play defense, and QB's can't make great comebacks if their defenses can't stop anybody in the first place.

And again, sorry if I offended you. The Texans pick doesn't look very smart right now with how Young/Bush/Cutler/Leinert played last year, but in a few years the Texans might be a team to fear with a few more additions, if their line can protect their new QB and he plays well to boot.

[Lukie]

I missed the part where we started talking about Mario Williams (which I defended at the time), but man, what a dumb pick that looks to be in hindsight.

Somebody post the youtube of him racing a guy doing 130mph (or him apologizing over it to the Texans faithful shortly thereafter).