NOT BALLIN' THREAD, under control

[Lukie]

1 more thing i'm life tilting because of a monster horrid day of poker so apologies for my tone or whatever

[Lukie]

graph of said session:

[zook]

I take no offense Lukie and I don't think you sound racist, prejudiced, etc. Affirmative action gets a lot of people worked up and you're taking a high road compared to many. The problems of black America (higher poverty, lower levels of education, higher crime and drug abuse rates) are complex in origin and even moreso in solution. Affirmative action is an extremely crude remedy, but I think it does much more harm than good (except for the fact that it got ratbastard Clarence Thomas onto the Supreme Court).

The jist of the argument in this situation is... 1) connections play a huge role in who hires who, in any industry, 2) the vast majority of Div. 1 college presidents (95%) and athletic directors (85%) are white, 3) it makes sense that white people have more connections through life with other white people (no one's saying they're necessarily racist, although some of them are certainly prejudiced), 4) in a sport where 50% of the players are black, and 29% of assistant coaches are black, it seems surprising that there are so few black head coaches, 5) maybe this is due to their lack of connections, or a subtle institutional bias?, 6) if we force schools to interview as least one black candidate for every open position (not hire! just interview) this might cancel out the effect of connections.

No one (that I know of) is suggesting quotas, just more access to the hiring process.

[Lukie]

I take no offense Lukie and I don't think you sound racist, prejudiced, etc. Affirmative action gets a lot of people worked up and you're taking a high road compared to many. The problems of black America (higher poverty, lower levels of education, higher crime and drug abuse rates) are complex in origin and even moreso in solution. Affirmative action is an extremely crude remedy, but I think it does much more harm than good (except for the fact that it got ratbastard Clarence Thomas onto the Supreme Court).

The jist of the argument in this situation is... 1) connections play a huge role in who hires who, in any industry, 2) the vast majority of Div. 1 college presidents (95%) and athletic directors (85%) are white, 3) it makes sense that white people have more connections through life with other white people (no one's saying they're necessarily racist, although some of them are certainly prejudiced), 4) in a sport where 50% of the players are black, and 29% of assistant coaches are black, it seems surprising that there are so few black head coaches, 5) maybe this is due to their lack of connections, or a subtle institutional bias?, 6) if we force schools to interview as least one black candidate for every open position (not hire! just interview) this might cancel out the effect of connections.

No one (that I know of) is suggesting quotas, just more access to the hiring process.

A lot of this makes more sense and is very reasonable and well thought out. I still disagree with some of the underlying points though.

I agree that the problems of black america (higher poverty, higher crime, all that) are very complex. A lot of it IMO has to do with black hip hop culture but that certainly isn't all of it. I also agree with you in that Affirmative Action does more harm than good, predominantly because of reverse-discrimination and the fact that it perpetuates so many excuses that minorities use for their troubles. That said, in context of what you said, I'm not so sure you wrote what you meant.

My biggest problem with bringing the rooney rule, or something similar, into college sports is this: NOT because it would give black coaches an advantage or more access to the hiring process (I would agree with both of these), but that it's a blatantly unfair to both white coaches and the universities themselves. Take the following assumption: There are 6x more white people than blacks in this country. So wouldn't it only be fair, hypothetically, that if a university were to be required to interview at least one black coach, that they would be required to ALSO interview SIX white coaches? That would be mathematical equal representation. That is a huge and unfair burden to put on the university.

Another angle to take a look at: What if there really is no good black candidates? Or what if there is a hot coaching commodity that a university KNOWS it wants but is forced to set up an arrangement with a black coach for the mere purpose of satisfying a rule? Should they really be forced to interview a Ron English, who's talent-loaded defense underperformed so badly all year, just for the sake of satisfying a silly rule like that?

Honestly, from what I've seen, black coaches and assistants that perform GET recognition, both in college and in the pros. I'm not claiming that there is equal representation, but I'm not sure that there should be IF the only reason to do that is to satisfy a quota. The reasons for that being the case are just as complex and tough to answer as the first thing you were talking about.. problems that plague black America. I don't think you can equate the quantity of black football players to the quality of black football coaches-- it's just such an absurd difference that the correlation doesn't matter a whole lot.

Just my opinion of course, I look forward to hearing what you have to say.

[zook]

Hahaha... more good than harm I meant, as you suspected. Sorry! More to come...

[mcatdog]

If you don't yet know whom you want to hire then yeah it's probably a good idea to interview a diverse group of people. The thing is occasionally a great coach becomes available and you know you really want him and there isn't any need to interview lots of candidates. For example when the Buccaneers fired Tony Dungy the Colts hired him just a couple of days later without seriously considering anyone else.

I hate the idea of forcing teams to pretend like they're considering a candidate when they actually aren't. It's a joke that's masquerading as progress when everyone's really just bullshitting each other. This happens all the time, as Lukie mentioned and it's the worst kind of tokenism.

[zook]

I dunno man, as a white man, I'm just not that worried about reverse discrimination. White people in the US have so many advantages to begin with. Of course there are lots of white people born into poverty in this country, but on average, if you're white you're born into a family that makes more money, has access to better education and better health care than if you're black, on average. Why is this? This is where so many white people get pissed off, but it really is slavery. "That happened 150 years ago, I've never owned slaves, my parents were poor immigrants, etc. etc." is what you hear all the time from people. But as recently as the 1960's blacks in many areas couldn't vote, couldn't go to the same schools, couldn't apply for many jobs, and lived under a different set of laws. As a result, they were poor and uneducated. None of us (except Warpe) remember the civil rights era, but it wasn't that long ago. And 50 years is an awfully short time for all this shit to correct itself. To this day, inner city schools are incredibly underfunded. An ex-gf of mine taught middle school in the Bronx and they didn't have money for textbooks, so she photocopied everything from the local library and paid for it herself!

Does all this mean that a less qualified black person should get a job over a more highly qualified white person? NO. N-O. But, I do think our society should go out of our way to ensure access to jobs and services to blacks. Affirmative action is not the best solution, or even a particularly good one, but I think it helps more than it hurts (got it right that time). It counteracts discrimination in hiring decisions, increases affluence in the black community and provides more positive role models for young blacks. Better solutions would include... much more funding for public schools, higher salaries for teachers and extra incentives to teach in inner-cities, stricter gun control laws, decriminalization of non-violent crimes, more education in prisons, I could go on and on.

I know I didn't address your main point about why not interview 6 white candidates along with every black candidate, but I think it's moot. Blacks are the underrepresented group here. Whites are overrepresented, so they don't require protection from the system. In individual cases it may look unfair (although I don't think it is, given they're only being asked to interview, not necessarily hire) but when you look at the two races as a whole I think it makes sense.

[zook]

I hate the idea of forcing teams to pretend like they're considering a candidate when they actually aren't. It's a joke that's masquerading as progress when everyone's really just bullshitting each other. This happens all the time, as Lukie mentioned and it's the worst kind of tokenism.

Meh. No team should make up their mind before interviewing multiple candidates. And it's valuable experience for everyone involved. It's only tokenism if the teams and candidates treat it that way, which they don't have to.

[kingnat]

I saw the same (or very similar) piece on ESPN about the A&M hire of Mike Sherman, and the sub-sequent protest of the Black Coaches Association. They THEN discussed Nebraska's possibility of hiring Turner Gill as the next head coach.

Although it really hasn't come up much on this board, I am a die-hard Nebraska fan, and for those unaware Turner Gill is a legacy in Nebraska. I'm very excited about the possibilities about either he or Bo Pelini being the new head coach (I've pretty much been in misery from the INSTANT Frank Solich was fired 4 years ago... it's not just about the losing...). I guess upon watching the ESPN spot, I was pleasantly surprised that at that point was the first time I had considered the fact that Turner Gill was black. It didn't even enter my mind...

This really struck me personally as a negative result of the Rooney rule... why is it necessary to shove it in my face that Turner Gill is black. Does that change the way he coaches... I certainly don't believe so. But I think there is at least anecdotal evidence that the hiring of black coaches is an institutional problem (where hires are more likely made on connections than qualifications....); If we consider the number of HC hires since the start of the Rooney rule and broke down the ratio of hires in terms of skin color, I think the ratio would be dramatically different than the ratio before the Rooney rule. Does this make sense?

Maybe I'll pose a question: Do you believe the number of black HCs in the NFL would be more than, less then or equal to the number there are today without the Rooney rule in place?

[blackatom]

I love the little hand's drawing on your graph lukie

[bode]

I saw the same (or very similar) piece on ESPN about the A&M hire of Mike Sherman, and the sub-sequent protest of the Black Coaches Association. They THEN discussed Nebraska's possibility of hiring Turner Gill as the next head coach.

Although it really hasn't come up much on this board, I am a die-hard Nebraska fan, and for those unaware Turner Gill is a legacy in Nebraska. I'm very excited about the possibilities about either he or Bo Pelini being the new head coach (I've pretty much been in misery from the INSTANT Frank Solich was fired 4 years ago... it's not just about the losing...). I guess upon watching the ESPN spot, I was pleasantly surprised that at that point was the first time I had considered the fact that Turner Gill was black. It didn't even enter my mind...

This really struck me personally as a negative result of the Rooney rule... why is it necessary to shove it in my face that Turner Gill is black. Does that change the way he coaches... I certainly don't believe so. But I think there is at least anecdotal evidence that the hiring of black coaches is an institutional problem (where hires are more likely made on connections than qualifications....); If we consider the number of HC hires since the start of the Rooney rule and broke down the ratio of hires in terms of skin color, I think the ratio would be dramatically different than the ratio before the Rooney rule. Does this make sense?

Maybe I'll pose a question: Do you believe the number of black HCs in the NFL would be more than, less then or equal to the number there are today without the Rooney rule in place?

i think it would be the exact same, +/- 1

[bode]

this is a great conversation. I had the EXACT same thoughts as Lukie when i saw this spot on SC. I think the underlying idea to get more black coaches into the network for possible future hirings is a good idea, but it IS at the expense of the school/pro team and hurts them the most. And i agree that its retarded to make the schools interview x number of coaches, no matter what their color/race/religion if they already know without a doubt who they want to hire.

[will641]

right before halloween, my dog got into the candy (reeses peanut butter cups) and some cashews. a few days later i noticed a small pile of puke in the corner of my room. i look at it closely because it is very weird, not your normal puke. it was a slightly digested reeses wrapper, a beer cap, and some digested cashews. SWEET!

that was not too ballin right there.

[mcatdog]

Meh. No team should make up their mind before interviewing multiple candidates.

That's only true if you think an interview is the end-all, be-all of a person's coaching acumen, which it isn't. Dungy's record in Tampa Bay made him the obvious coach for the Colts and the interview was just a formality. Do you think the Patriots should have had open tryouts for WR so as to give an equal shot to James Thrash and Todd Pinskton, instead of just going and getting Randy Moss when he became available?

[chardrian]

Just interviewing can be a big thing for someone who has not gone through the process before (it shows them how the process goes and allows them to be better prepared for their next one) and many minorities have never gone through the process before.

The funniest/most ironic part about white guys bitchin' about affirmative action is that there is a very strong argument that they are actually the one's who have benefitted the most by it: although minorities have gotten some increased access to better positions, white women have gained the most through affirmative action. There are more women now in the workforce than ever and they are making much more than they used to... and the kicker is that men are still slacking at home. Basically women are now working tons more but they are still doing the majority of housework. So the white women work and bring more money to the family coffer and the white men still work the same and get to bitch about it. wheeeeeeeeeee

[zook]

Meh. No team should make up their mind before interviewing multiple candidates.

That's only true if you think an interview is the end-all, be-all of a person's coaching acumen, which it isn't. Dungy's record in Tampa Bay made him the obvious coach for the Colts and the interview was just a formality. Do you think the Patriots should have had open tryouts for WR so as to give an equal shot to James Thrash and Todd Pinskton, instead of just going and getting Randy Moss when he became available?

I think there are lots of important things you could learn from interviews with multiple head coaching candidates... how they see their system fitting with your players, what personnel changes they think need to be made, how much control they want over personnel decisions, how they handle themselves in public speaking situations, their personal values and beliefs... I don't know the details of the Dungy hire, but I can't imagine interviewing a couple more candidates (while telling Dungy he was at the very top of their list) could possibly have done anything but help the Colts owners.

The analogy with players is a bad one because you can evaluate almost everything they do on film while so much of coaches' work is in player motivation, preparation, personnel decisions and strategy that may or may not be obvious on game day.

I don't want to come off as a huge affirmative action flag-waver, but it's probably too late. I understand that it isn't the best solution to the underlying problems and I hope it's eventually unnecessary. I just can't stand people bashing it without acknowledging the rationale behind it or offering better solutions. I especially can't stand people who whine about "reverse discrimination". Not talking about you here mcat, obv.

[kingnat]

But I think there is at least anecdotal evidence that the hiring of black coaches is an institutional problem (where hires are more likely made on connections than qualifications....); If we consider the number of HC hires since the start of the Rooney rule and broke down the ratio of hires in terms of skin color, I think the ratio would be dramatically different than the ratio before the Rooney rule. Does this make sense?

Maybe I'll pose a question: Do you believe the number of black HCs in the NFL would be more than, less then or equal to the number there are today without the Rooney rule in place?

i think it would be the exact same, +/- 1

Do others agree with bode?...

I should just go look up the data, but I'm too busy to bother with it right now.

[bode]

yeah, i just took a guess at that, but i doubt it would be much different. Owners/GMs are looking for the person they think will fit the best and get the most out of their team, not their skin color. While mandatory interviews may have opened someones eyes to another candidate they hadnt previously looked at, i doubt its changed the outcome of too many decisions.

[Reidak]

I take pictures of myself in the washroom. nboc.

Brag: Won 12K
Beat: I chinced on the camera

[mcatdog]

I don't want to come off as a huge affirmative action flag-waver, but it's probably too late. I understand that it isn't the best solution to the underlying problems and I hope it's eventually unnecessary. I just can't stand people bashing it without acknowledging the rationale behind it or offering better solutions. I especially can't stand people who whine about "reverse discrimination". Not talking about you here mcat, obv.

I grew up with a lot of advantages. The biggest one was that my mom and dad always supported my education, and they saved money their entire adult lives so they could afford to send me to whatever college I wanted. You will never see me whining about "reverse discrimination" because people who do that are ungrateful for what they've already been given.

Like I said, I support affirmative action in situations where a team doesn't know what direction it wants to go. In that case they should be looking at as diverse a group of coaches as they can. But sometimes there's a guy who's way better than what's usually available. Teams should just try to hire him without having to play Let's Pretend. It doesn't benefit anyone when minority applications go straight into the trash can. A few years ago when the Lions hired Steve Mariucci, everyone knew they were going to hire him. They actually tried to interview some black candidates, but no one would talk to them because they all had enough self-respect to not interview for a job they had 0% chance of getting.

As for interviews, I wish I were as confidant as you are about their value. Unfortunately, my (admittedly limited) experience has made me pretty cynical about them. I think most of the time they already know whether they're going to hire you. If they are, you just go in there and perform a little song and dance and the job's yours unless you fuck up horribly. If they're not, there's nothing you can do unless the guy they want fucks up horribly. I guess on the whole, the Rooney rule is worth it and it's a necessarily evil to occasionally force black people to go interview, do the song and dance and then throw their application in the trash can. But I still think it sucks.

[kingnat]

Owners/GMs are looking for the person they think will fit the best and get the most out of their team, not their skin color. While mandatory interviews may have opened someones eyes to another candidate they hadnt previously looked at, i doubt its changed the outcome of too many decisions.

I 100% agree that is what they SHOULD DO.. (look for the guy that fits the team, etc.), but I think there were plenty of GMs/owners, even 10 years ago, that were only considering those guys who would fit there team among white coaches... I'm agree the practice is pretty messed up... especially when a team has chosen their coach but does the pony show of black coaching candidates JUST to fulfill the Rooney Rule... but I think the data for NFL HCs is accessible enough that one could draw some meaningful conclusions if one takes the time to pull the statistics together and that would be interesting...

Sorry if this gets off of NBOC too much, i think it's an interesting discussion.

[ProZachNation]

my room is above the furnace so it gets really hot when the heat is on, so last night I cracked my window. I woke up this morning and my room as freezing, and my poor poor fish whos bowl was right in front of the window had passed.

Im kinda bumded had him for about a year, it was a beta.

[Galapogos]

Im kinda dumbed had him for about a year, it was a beta.

I had two and they shared a tank with one of those glass dividers so they couldn't kill each other. After a few months I got tired of having to clean their tank and removed the divider to let them fight to the death. No fight ensued and I was very disappointed.

[flomo]

those 2 betas were gay

[Lukie]

$10 on stars to someone who makes a thread for my birthday and says something nice about me*



*note that this is not limited to one person, but a new thread must be started for each $10 prize

[flomo]

$10
here i come

[Lukie]

flomo you are going to have to write something really cool about me, then post your pokerstars name here and i'll give you double just because i like you.

[JL]

Not ballin':
This thread left the front page and had no replies for over a week.

C'mon guys quit being so ballin' and do something really lame and post it so we can all feel better about ourselves.

[bikes]

NBOC psych 310 exam at 8am

[gabe]

lukie thats lame

[vqc]

Starting this past Saturday I had/have to read ~800 pages of material to make up for the 15 weeks of school that I did not read for this class. Test is on Tuesday. First year GPA determines what kind of job you get for the rest of your life. I am so fucked.

[ChrisTheFish]

Been told for the past 2 weeks about a fairly important test we were having today which i have totally forgotten about/ignored and done no revision for, but had 3 hours to kill this morning before the test but instead of doing last minute revision, i drank beer and fell asleep in the library, defo NBOC

[donkbee]

Starting this past Saturday I had/have to read ~800 pages of material to make up for the 15 weeks of school that I did not read for this class. Test is on Tuesday. First year GPA determines what kind of job you get for the rest of your life. I am so fucked.

jeez! gl vince.

[Lukie]

so recently me and my brother have played 4-5 games of chess. we used to play very sparingly when we were younger. I'm up 2.5 - 1.5 in those games. I tell gabe that i've played a few games recently and he immediately challenges me to a game of yahoo chess ( i didn't even know that existed ).

so off we go, he makes me an account because i'm too lazy, and i spawn black. if my faint knowledge of chess openings is correct, we both push our queens pawn forward 2, and he does the queen's gambit. I defend horridly, likely do to my complete lack of experience at the game, and eventually he gains a knight on me fairly early (it might have been a pawn but i'm pretty sure it was a knight). then in an epic display of amazing skill, i get his queen at no loss!!!!

eventually the game is winding down, and he traps one of my minor pieces and he still has a chance. I have a couple pawns on him, and he has a bishop, knight, and both rook on the board. I have a queen and two rooks. eventually i pin him in such a way that he's forced to exchange rooks. advantage me OBV. so i'm marching my queen's rook pawn down with the queen's rook guarding it, and he's helpless and he throws pieces to stop it. Eventually I trade my queen for his rook in order to queen my pawn. gabe resigns in embarrassment in order to stop the inevitable humiliating defeat.


cliff notes: somewhat drunken idiot lukie who has almost no experience playing chess battles back as black and down a knight vs a ruthless, experienced white chess player and lukie prevails in everlasting glory, victory, etc.

[donkbee]

omg lol i can't believe i read all that

[chardrian]

Starting this past Saturday I had/have to read ~800 pages of material to make up for the 15 weeks of school that I did not read for this class. Test is on Tuesday. First year GPA determines what kind of job you get for the rest of your life. I am so fucked.

will u tutor me for the bar exam - I have no motivation.

[bigred]

this def belongs here

http://www.break.com/index/frustrate...-his-cool.html

[thizzSantaCruz]

this def belongs here

http://www.break.com/index/frustrate...-his-cool.html

golden

[bigred]

this def belongs here

http://www.break.com/index/frustrate...-his-cool.html

golden

I'm still laughing my ass off at the end when he like ejects off the seat. WTF is going on?

[givememyleg]

i've been very sick since friday. it's so nboc. that is all.

[spin_md]

This was a few weeks ago, but its been too traumatic to speak of until now.

So I am in Vancouver on work (interviewing candidates for a job on my team), and the third day I meet a friend for breakfast at the hotel. I get free complimentary continental breakfast which includes this cold area with deli meat, cheese, boiled eggs, fruit. I don't like muffins, pastrys so I load up in the cold section, including an assortment of deli meat.

By 11, I am starting to feel not that great, but I think maybe it's cause I'm hungry so I have lunch. By the time lunch is over, I feel like crap (Read: I feel like I have 2 girls, one cup in my stomach).

I proceed to meet with my final interview candidate, and I am pretty much rushing the candidate through the questions, because I figure that spewing on a potential candidate isn't good for the corporate image.

I head to the airport to move to an earlier flight because I am starting to hope I get run over or shot because I feel so bad. I get an earlier flight, but I just miss an even earlier flight so I have to wait an hour and a half in the airport. I steadily feel worse and now people are starting to do the dreaded double-take when they see me because I am looking so bad.

By the time the flight boards I am alternating between feeling like I am in a freezer to sweating uncontrollably. The airline seats me next to a very good looking woman who smiles and starts talking to me as soon as I sit down (she must of not got a good look at my current state). I shut her down for the good of us, her clothes, our seats, the window, and the random passengers who would be hit by projectile vomit if I engage in conversation.

I spend the flight trying to lose myself in music but by midflight, I have to keep putting my head down to stop from passing out / puking / general dying. And I am still burning up, to the point that sweat is running down my back.

When we land, I go to get up, and I have sweated so much that my dress pants are bunched up and stuck to my legs, making me look somewhat fucked up, which is only enhanced by my greenish white skin color (picture Old Greg with no seaweed, and no mangina). The girl looks visibly afraid when they sees the walking corpse that was sitting beside her.

I somehow make the 30 min drive home (I parked at airport) and collapse on my bed. Then, I spend the next 24 hrs re-enjoying the deli meat, over and over.

Moral of the story: Only fucktards eat deli meat at a hotel buffet breakfast.

NBOC

[bigspenda73]

why not just go to the restroom in the airport and heave for an hour?

[bigred]

pull the trigger baby

[spin_md]

why not just go to the restroom in the airport and heave for an hour?

face within 4 feet of a public washroom toilet. NBOC

[donkbee]

lol!

[Lukie]

cherry vodka and coke

not ballin, but tastes like cherry coke!

try it before you dog it.

[givememyleg]

my nickname for a while was vodkacarl until one bad night. i havent had vodka since.

[givememyleg]

but that actually does sound good lukake

[badgers]

Orange and mango tropicana and dirt cheap vodka.

Tastes of orange and mango, and is cheap..... AND contains vodka.

Perfect, non?

[Trikflow77]

cherry vodka and coke

not ballin, but tastes like cherry coke!

try it before you dog it.

lukie you are so gay. What was that other drink you said was the shit? baileys and i dont remember, something nasty.

i mean think about it, walking up to a bartender and asking for "cherry vodka and coke" lolololololololoolol.

i still love you though lukie.........

[bigred]

jager bombs ftw

[Lukie]

cherry vodka and coke

not ballin, but tastes like cherry coke!

try it before you dog it.

lukie you are so gay. What was that other drink you said was the shit? baileys and i dont remember, something nasty.

i mean think about it, walking up to a bartender and asking for "cherry vodka and coke" lolololololololoolol.

i still love you though lukie.........

i AM the bartender, it's my own place yo!

i usually just stick with beer and jack/crown + coke at the bar

[thizzSantaCruz]

cherry vodka and coke

not ballin, but tastes like cherry coke!

try it before you dog it.

lukie you are so gay. What was that other drink you said was the shit? baileys and i dont remember, something nasty.

i mean think about it, walking up to a bartender and asking for "cherry vodka and coke" lolololololololoolol.

i still love you though lukie.........

i AM the bartender, it's my own place yo!

i usually just stick with beer and jack/crown + coke at the bar

yea i pretty much hate any alcohol that is clear. I've been drinking a lot of tequila lately if I'm drinking liquor. Usually its easier for me to just drink beer and take a couple of shots throughout the whole nite though. That way I don't get as hung over.

[Galapogos]

spind_md's NBOC story sort of reminded me of one about my brother.

My family went to Mexico for vacation on year and my brother somehow accidently ingested some of their water near the end of the trip. Everyone knows what happens when you do this.

So my family is waiting in the airport for the plane to arrive and my brother gets hit by a vicious attack of the shits. So he goes and makes camp in the bathroom and doesn't come out for about a half an hour. The whole time he was in there guys would come out of the bathroom obviously disgusted with what he was cooking up in there.

The best part was when he emerged from the bathroom he found everyone in that waiting area of the airport had basically pressed themselves up against the wall opposite of the bathroom. It was so bad that no one was even sitting in the seats on the half of the room that was closest to the bathroom.

I felt kinda sorry for him since he was kind of a quiet guy back then. The look on his face as he saw everyone looking at him as if to say, "So you were the one," was priceless.

[gabe]

cherry vodka and coke

not ballin, but tastes like cherry coke!

try it before you dog it.

lukie you are so gay.

[Trikflow77]

cherry vodka and coke

not ballin, but tastes like cherry coke!

try it before you dog it.

lukie you are so gay.

[bigred]

I don't think he's gay, he seems to like women. Pansy? Maybe.

[Lukie]

you guys judge me on stupid stuff posted in the ftr commune yet none of you have spent more than 2 weeks with me irl

sample size is too small

[flomo]

you guys judge me on stupid stuff posted in the ftr commune yet none of you have spent more than 2 weeks with me irl

sample size is too small

they judge you because you wear a women's watch

but don't worry i still have a mancrush on you
although that is not worth much since i'm sstupid, short fat and ugly

[UG]

you guys judge me on stupid stuff posted in the ftr commune yet none of you have spent more than 2 weeks with me irl

sample size is too small

We tried to but you were too busy text-message dating in Oklahoma and trying to hook up with a 16-year old girl and her mom in Las Vegas for us to be able to hang out with you for very long!

[bigred]

i want to meet ug

[Galapogos]

i want to meet ug

seconded

[flomo]

i want to meet ug

seconded

sounds like you guys are planning a threesome

[gabe]

lukie you never keep it real

[jmontis]

my br isn't 5 figures yet

shipithollanotsoballa

you and be both brother

[Lukie]

wassssssssssup everyone? how are ya'll doing

just trying to keep it real, holla back

[bigred]

holla

[flomo]

HOLLA!!!

[thizzSantaCruz]

holla for da 2 dolla balla!!

[bikes]

NBOC withdrawing the roll for christmas, winning like 60T$ and taking 6 BI to readjust to the complete donkish play.

[spoonitnow]

Took my chick out to eat and it was $30. That's not very balla.

[Lukie]

New Subject:

Breakfast foods.

Breakfast is the most important meal of the day (arguably, the post workout meal is the most important for us lifters-- I need to get back into that btw). Anyway, I've always eaten breakfast, but usually I'd just heat up some leftovers or throw some chicken on the grill.. nothing really 'meant' for breakfast, whatever that means.

Lately though I've been throwing a few pieces of bacon on a skillet, cooking it up, then when that's done using the grease to make a few eggs.. over-medium of course. Pancakes after that with a big glass of milk FTW.

Given how much I love the above meal and look forward to making it everyday, I want to start making more good breakfast stuff. What else can I work in? Sausage, hashed browns, fruits, full meals, whatever. SRSBSNS

[flomo]

one of my favorite meals breakfast lunch dinner or after drinking

corn fritters or waffles, with fried chicken
cover with maple syrup and hot sauce

nboc
car accident today
girl runs a red and my family and i in intersection
we were the second car at the light--it turns green the car in front of us goes, we go, chick come flying in to us
every one is ok
ok not the chick, after exchanging info--- i kicked her in her cunt til her eyes bled

[flomo]

antoher good breakfast

eggs las migas
scrambled eggs over tortilla chips with salsa
options to add avocado, chorizo and/or cheese

[spoonitnow]

my br isn't 5 figures yet

shipithollanotsoballa

you and be both brother

Well shit I do have a 5 figure BR now.

Still not so balla