Official 2010 NFL Thread

[ensign_lee]

GODDAMMIT LIONS. YOU WERE SO GOOD UNTIL YOU MISSED THAT FG.

[Lukie]

re: ff rambling/complaining, i think it's pretty stupid too (except for the guy that got vickowned, that was funny)

[Roid_Rage]

Sigh Lions.

Whats the difference between the Lions and a $1 bill?


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You can get 4 quarters out of a $1 bill. Hurr hurr hurr

[bikes]

LOLOL WP'ED FAIR GENTLE!

[lolzzz_321]

cmon chiefs, lets get a road victory!

[bigred]

MR. KINGNAT, YOUR FACEBOOK COMMENTS GOT VERY QUIET AFTER THE SECOND QUARTER

[Hawk]

CHIEFS GOING DOWN TODAY!!!

GOOOOO HAWKS!!!

[lolzzz_321]

haha, want to make a friendly wager? ill do anything up to 50, i think it's chiefs -2.5 but i wanna do str8 up winner, judy lmk before the game

[Hawk]

I'd love bet a small amount but I have no money online (damn you WA).

[WildBobAA]

Holy shit @ that Andre Johnson vs Finnegan fist fight.

[bigspenda73]

Holy shit @ that Andre Johnson vs Finnegan fist fight.

Finnegan is such a bitch and they have history, sucks Dre will miss a game or two though.

[bigred]

Finnegan is such a bitch and they have history, sucks Dre will miss a game or two though.

Finnegan is such a dbag but I wish Andre had been the better man and walked away

[ensign_lee]

Finnegan's such a little bitch. The fight started because he gave Andre a shot to the head COMPLETELY away from the play.

Hope Andre isn't suspended for any games for stupid shit like that.

Although I guess Finnegan found a great way to cover Andre: just get both of them kicked out of hte game. Otherwise, Andre just owns his face.

[ensign_lee]

<3 Andre Johnson.

[ensign_lee]

Man, I could watch that gif ALL day.

[Illfavor]

DONALD BROWN MUST RUN WITH HIS EYES CLOSED.

Edit: Nvm, he's the least of the Colts' concerns.

[WildBobAA]

The fight started because he gave Andre a shot to the head COMPLETELY away from the play.

Oh come on, Andre was coming off the line of scrimmage as the play started and Finnegan jammed him like all corners are taught to do. Yeah the jam was a little high in the neck area but it's not like the play was dead and Finnegan punched him.

Here's Video Of A Texan Fighting A Titan

Also, to each his own but I would not want any of the Lions players to do anything like this and I surely wouldn't be fistpumping about it if it happened.

I guarantee Andre gets at least a game.

[Illfavor]

At least 8-8 might win the AFC South.

[bigspenda73]

Bob are you talking about that play or the one before? If you think Andre did that over just some hands to the face you're crazy

[WildBobAA]

Well if lee was referring to a previous play then my bad.

[fjuanl]

Man that was fun watching the Chargers make Peyton look terrible again

[bigspenda73]

Well if lee was referring to a previous play then my bad.

Clearly Dre didn't' just go psychotic over something so simple. They have a ton of history of Dre burning Finnegan, the little bitch talking shit after giving up 200 yard games, and all the other crap he does. The play before on a run he cheapshotted Dre when the two were completely out of the play on the backside of the run.

[WildBobAA]

haha wow Andre didn't get suspended, does anyone else think the main reason he didn't get suspended is because the Texans play Thursday night on the NFL Network? Goodell has to keep that revenue up

[Lukie]

haha wow Andre didn't get suspended, does anyone else think the main reason he didn't get suspended is because the Texans play Thursday night on the NFL Network? Goodell has to keep that revenue up

No I don't think that is the reason, but yes I do think he should have been suspended.

It doesn't matter how much of a bitch Finnegan is, how dirty he aspires to be (between the whistle), or how mild-mannered Johnson usually is, if you rip a helmet off another player and start throwing punches, that should be a suspension, period. Perhaps the above mitigating factors might bring it down from 2 games to 1 or something but that garbage has no place in the game (this coming from an MMA fan).

It sure was entertaining though.

[bigspenda73]

It's a bad precedent to set but obviously I'm ok with it

[Lukie]

Which reminds me, I remember when TJ Ward drilled Jordan Shipley with a head/forearm/shoulder hit to the head/neck (i.e. NFL's definition of head to head on a defenseless receiver), most fans thought it was a legit, awesome hit and a textbook example of how football should be played.

Fast forward 2 weeks when James Harrison had a similar enough hit on one of our receivers, and the same fans were outraged at what a dirty play it was.

(for most people) It just mostly matters what side you are on.

[a500lbgorilla]

Tackle the QB - 75k fine.

Fist-fight on the field - 25k fine.

[a500lbgorilla]

It's a bad precedent to set but obviously I'm ok with it

It's a bad precedent and schizophrenic. Defenders can't even aggressively tackle without fear of having their paychecks raped. The money that they will need to pay for medical expenses is being bled from them for playing the game. Meanwhile, pretty boy wideouts enjoy the confidence of the front-office in throwing punches nets a mere slap on the wrist and a nudge back onto the field.

[a500lbgorilla]

Which reminds me, I remember when TJ Ward drilled Jordan Shipley with a head/forearm/shoulder hit to the head/neck (i.e. NFL's definition of head to head on a defenseless receiver), most fans thought it was a legit, awesome hit and a textbook example of how football should be played.

Fast forward 2 weeks when James Harrison had a similar enough hit on one of our receivers, and the same fans were outraged at what a dirty play it was.

(for most people) It just mostly matters what side you are on.

I don't mind since I know the Steelers have run hot with refs and front offices for the past decade, but this year has been pretty crazy. Two weeks ago we had like 170 yards in penalties (the majority being personal foul penalties) and our players are seemingly vilified for playing Football how it is meant to be played.

I dare you to watch the upcoming Ravens-Steelers game and not say outloud that that is how the game should be played. But for some reason, being a hard-hitting defender is a scourge on the league... throwing fists at someone who irritates you? Totally understandable and if nothing else, commendable. Guy's a douche...

[Lukie]

Rilla, since 90% of your posts are satirical, is it safe to assume that you feel the opposite of what you wrote above? serious question

[a500lbgorilla]

Andre Johnson was given a zero game suspension for throwing fists. There aren't many who saw that replay and didn't think, "Oh, that's a game."

James Harrison has been fined a big 'ole pile of money for tackling "defenseless" targets. There aren't many who saw his hits and didn't think, "Oh, that's the game."

Where the game says, "help 'defenseless' players learn how to defend themselves," Godell has said, "No, no, no, we shall tell the offenders to not tackle so hard!"

Where the game says, "do not fight outside of the lines or after the whistles," Godell has said, "No, no, no, we shall all understand that fist fights sometimes happen."

[a500lbgorilla]

I'm not sure what you thought was satire from me, but I can't wrap my brain around the coming decision to hit Harrison with another fine and at the same time not bench Andre for a game.

[bigred]

It's ridiculous that Andre Johnson is not suspended for at least two games.

[bigspenda73]

Dre is a first time offender really, the previous fine was just for jawing with Finnegan all game.

He's a class act, model citizen, face of a franchise. Of course there's some bias there. Tack that onto the fact that the Texans are playing TNF this week and the stars aligned for him to walk away with just a fine. Finnegan's rep also helps in this situation.

[a500lbgorilla]

Dre is a first time offender really, the previous fine was just for jawing with Finnegan all game.

He's a class act, model citizen, face of a franchise. Of course there's some bias there. Tack that onto the fact that the Texans are playing TNF this week and the stars aligned for him to walk away with just a fine. Finnegan's rep also helps in this situation.

Andre Johnson has been fined before right? So he's not really a model citizen. Certainly the face of a franchise, but not a model citizen.


edit and honestly, was your first reaction big fine or game suspension when you saw Andre throw fists?

[bigspenda73]

Obviously I thought suspension. I applaud Goodell for not suspending my team's best player.

[a500lbgorilla]

lol

[Lukie]

Rilla, 'hard hits' and 'aggressive tackling' are not outlawed or even frowned upon.

Among other things, posts like this are a misrepresentation at best, flat out dishonest at worst:

Tackle the QB - 75k fine.

Fist-fight on the field - 25k fine.

You can't attack a defenseless player with or to the head. It's a little more complicated than that but that's the gist of it.

Of course, properly enforcing the rules isn't going to fly with you, because it's a competitive advantage for the Steelers to have a guy like James Harrison flying around, leading with his head like he always has for years, and knocking out other teams' receivers (or at least the threat of doing so).

[Lukie]

I'm not sure what you thought was satire from me, but I can't wrap my brain around the coming decision to hit Harrison with another fine and at the same time not bench Andre for a game.

Most of your posts are obvious satire so when you are posting something serious it's hard if not impossible to tell. I thought that was what you strived for.

[WildBobAA]

What Andre (can we stop calling him "Dre"?) did seems way worse than what Seymore did to Big Ben yet they both got the same fine.

YouTube - Richard Seymour punches Ben Roethlisberger in the face - Steelers vs. Raiders

Seymore gives and open palm slap basically to a guy with a helmet on while Andre beats someone without a helmet senseless and it's the same penalty? joke

[a500lbgorilla]

Lukie, just to clarify your position:

You think that both Harrison and Johnson's punishments are fair reflections on the gravity of their grievances?

From where I'm sitting it seems to me that Harrison was just fined 25k for tackling with his face first while wearing the 92 jersey. While Johnson was fined 25k for actually attempting to initiate a fist-fight.

[bigspenda73]

tough break?

what about Suh, he prison raped Delhomme or w/e in preseason, what'd he get?

[a500lbgorilla]

I said already that I feel like the Steelers run hot with the NFL officiating, so I don't really mind if we suffer this year, but I find it off putting that Andre didn't even get a game. Or Seymour, for that matter.

Harrison can be fined into the ground, he'll still be supremely valuable and play like a monster, if we make the playoffs.

I'm done trying to understand the mind of the NFL front-office.

[bigspenda73]

Johnson was fined 25k for actually attempting to initiate a fist-fight.

attempting? lol he beat that ass

[Lukie]

Lukie, just to clarify your position:

You think that both Harrison and Johnson's punishments are fair reflections on the gravity of their grievances?

From where I'm sitting it seems to me that Harrison was just fined 25k for tackling with his face first while wearing the 92 jersey. While Johnson was fined 25k for actually attempting to initiate a fist-fight.

No, like I wrote above, I feel like Johnson should have been suspended. It seems like we agree that Johnson got off easy. He did get ejected though, which the NFL does take into consideration (also see Richard Seymour, who also probably should have gotten a game off without pay).

I only saw the most recent play once and my memory is a little hazy on it, but from what I remember it didn't seem like a dirty hit but one that in a strictly technical sense, it was against the rules. 92's fines are simply going to be large because he has such a long history of leading with his head pretty much always, and this goes back well before the league started cracking down on it.

And again, leading with the head is illegal against defenseless players, the most relevant being receivers in the act of catching a pass and a quarterback attempting a pass.

[WildBobAA]

what about Suh, he prison raped Delhomme or w/e in preseason, what'd he get?

He got $7500 which seemed pretty fair. And that was not even close to being on the same level as what Andre did since what Suh did took less than 2 seconds (and it was DURING a play) and there was nothing premeditated about it. Not to mention that there were no punches thrown, he grabbed his facemask and threw him down.

I'm backing down from thinking that Andre should 100% be suspended (although I'd be ok with it) but a 25K fine is a complete joke.

[bigred]

Let's get this thread back on track...

[bigspenda73]

How is Suh not worse than Andre? He did it to a defenseless player with just as much malicious intent. Finnegan was not defenseless and provoked Andre by throwing a punch (with the helmets on). Suh just takes someone who has no ability to protect himself and bullies him just because he can.

[WildBobAA]

He was trying to tackle the QB. Yes the facemask was pretty terrible but personal foul facemasks happen all the time that are just as bad. The bad part is when he throws him back by the head but I believe that during that moment he didn't realize Delhomme was down when he threw him back (it's hard to tell when stuff is happening that fast). I disagree with you that there was malicious intent there. The whole thing happens so fast (in about 2 seconds). He was getting blocked by the defender, he reached out and tried to grab Delhomme and unfortunately, the thing he grabbed was his facemask. There's no way he was saying before the play to himself "I'm going to go after Delhomme's facemask this play"

YouTube - Ndamukong Suh Flattens Jake Delhomme

C'mon man. Andre and Finnegan had a fistfight. That's so much worse.

[bigspenda73]

How is a fist fight between willing participants worse? In all the epic hockey fights that go on every year how many people have ever been seriously injured to the point of missing future games?

Now, how many people miss games/seasons/careers due to blindside hits when they're defenseless?

[Lukie]

yeah, let's just quote what I wrote before since it seems to fit pretty well,

(for most people) It just mostly matters what side you are on.

[ensign_lee]

Woohoo Andre not suspended.

I agree that $25k is friggin' nothing and that it makes no sense in light of Harrison's fines. Honestly, I feel that Harrison gets fined way the F too much. This is Fing bullshit.

But yeah, Andre and Finnegan's fine should have been closer to $100k, but the NFLPA's agreement with the NFL is a max fine of $25k. Well, that's the MAX fine. You can't change it now.

What SHOULD have happened is that Innegan ('cause Andre beat the F out of him hahaha) should have gotten suspended and Andre should have been able to keep playing.

I mean, F*(^. Innegan can't cover Andre; it's a win for him if he can get BOTH of them knocked out of the game. How else would he hold Andre to 0 catches?


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Unrelated note, Glover Quin, the cornerback who batted the ball down to let hte Jags win on a Fing hail mary got three (3) THREE picks! WITH A BROKEN HAND! what whaaaaaaaaaaat? GO TEXANS!

(eagles, please don't beat us down)

[Lukie]

so apparently there's a precedent NOT to suspend players who fight, just eject them. I'm still not sure I really agree with that, but in that context the non-suspension makes sense.

What SHOULD have happened is that Innegan ('cause Andre beat the F out of him hahaha) should have gotten suspended and Andre should have been able to keep playing.

ridiculous, seriously, think about what you are saying here

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so I've always been a fan of funny QB names like Wrecks Grossman etc.

add a new one to the list, courtesy of someone on thebrownsboard,

Jake Dellgohome

[Lukie]

Jake the Mistake (by the Lake?)

[ensign_lee]

so apparently there's a precedent NOT to suspend players who fight, just eject them. I'm still not sure I really agree with that, but in that context the non-suspension makes sense.


ridiculous, seriously, think about what you are saying here

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so I've always been a fan of funny QB names like Wrecks Grossman etc.

add a new one to the list, courtesy of someone on thebrownsboard,

Jake Dellgohome

Okay, I'm thinking about what I said there. The dirtiest player in the league (who is TRYING to get recognized as the dirtiest player in the league) pushed a model citizen WR too far...and got the shit beaten out of him.

You can look at this 1 of two ways:

To discourage dirty play, you should suspend the little shit Innegan so he gets the message that his dirty play will not be tolerated.

Meanwhile, model citizens who cause no trouble for the league but are awesome at what they do are allowed to continue what they do.

OR

Innegan, who is a repeat offender for personal fouls, FIVE of them this year, should be suspended.

Meanwhile, a first time offender, like Andre Johnson, should be given the maximum fine (in this case, $25k), and should be warned that this should not happen again.

Totally reasonable arguments either way.

[ensign_lee]

YOU HAVE GOT BE F*&#^# SHITTING ME.

Are unnecessary roughness penalties only to be called on the defense? Celek should have been flagged for his hit against Pollard to prevent the INT. ARE YOU F(*#*&^ing kidding me?

I HATE the stupid rule, but if you're going to enforce it, ENFORCE IT EVERYWHERE. Obviously a hit on a defenseless player, except that he's on defense. Geeez.

That would have erased that touchdown at the end of the game. F*(&^# you refs. F(*&# you ROGER GOODELL

[PokerWang]

Exactly! Don't be selective in enforcing it!

[Lukie]

Okay, I'm thinking about what I said there. The dirtiest player in the league (who is TRYING to get recognized as the dirtiest player in the league) pushed a model citizen WR too far...and got the shit beaten out of him.

You can look at this 1 of two ways:

To discourage dirty play, you should suspend the little shit Innegan so he gets the message that his dirty play will not be tolerated.

Meanwhile, model citizens who cause no trouble for the league but are awesome at what they do are allowed to continue what they do.

OR

Innegan, who is a repeat offender for personal fouls, FIVE of them this year, should be suspended.

Meanwhile, a first time offender, like Andre Johnson, should be given the maximum fine (in this case, $25k), and should be warned that this should not happen again.

Totally reasonable arguments either way.

Let's watch the video.

YouTube - [HD] Andre Johnson and Cortland Finnegan Fight Texans vs. Titans

First the play before. (0:02-0:05) Watch closely Johnson's right hand. STRAIGHT to Finnegan's face 3 times, then after Finnegan takes his helmet off, a late push in the back after the play is over for good measure.

There was some talking back and forth between the two after the play was over but isn't shown in this clip and isn't particularly relevant anyway.

On to the play of the fight, Finnegan comes out jamming at Johnson's face, which is a pretty flagrant illegal hands to the face penalty, but not a whole lot unlike what Johnson did multiple times the play before.

At 0:07 you see Johnson hooking Finnegan's facemask and swinging it with the intent of ripping it off, after some jostling both players end up on the ground, helmets off, with Johnson on top burying Finnegan into the ground (clearly #80 won this fight). Then he takes multiple swings. Finnegan did not take any swings, nor was he even in position to.

What are you seeing that leads you to believe that Finnegan should have been given a stiffer punishment than Johnson? (Reputation aside)

[ensign_lee]

If you want to see why INnega deserves a stiffer punishment, you're going to have to go back and

1) Look at the other personal foul penalties he's gotten this season (Innegan)
2) Look at EVERY play from this game and from the last 5 games Texans/Titans together.

Then, tell me that Innegan doesn't deserve it.

[PokerWiz]

Finnegan deserves it for me. That dirty shithead plays really bad and dirty. The nfl should fine finnegan for his behavior. And I love Andre johnson btw.

[WildBobAA]

What are you seeing that leads you to believe that Finnegan should have been given a stiffer punishment than Johnson? (Reputation aside)

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[bigspenda73]

I like how you casually toss "reputation aside" in there as if it doesn't matter, it's a huge part of the equation here.

[Illfavor]

...WTF PEYTON?!?!??!?!?!?!!?!??!!!!!?!?!??!??!?

[Illfavor]

Also, where's the Sam Bradford looooove? I mean his WRs couldn't start on almost any other team...

[Hawk]

I'm fully aware of how well he's doing. I don't like the fact that he'll be in our division for the next 4-5 years at a minimum. I love watching the rams fail.

[ensign_lee]

Bradford is doing ridiculously well. Like ungodly well.

Does he have superpowers? Holy F I'm glad he's not in my division. I'd be super pissed if I FINALLY saw Peyton Manning start to fade, only to see Bradford rise to power in in the AFC South.

[Lukie]

I like how you casually toss "reputation aside" in there as if it doesn't matter, it's a huge part of the equation here.

I understand and considered that Finnegan is and aspires to be a dirty player. It matters to an extent but it still doesn't justify an equal penalty for that fight.

Beyond that who cares, there was a great week of football this week and I'm PUMPED to watch the Jets vs Pats tomorrow night.

[Lukie]

Bradford is doing ridiculously well. Like ungodly well.

Does he have superpowers? Holy F I'm glad he's not in my division. I'd be super pissed if I FINALLY saw Peyton Manning start to fade, only to see Bradford rise to power in in the AFC South.

Yeah, Bradford is going to be a beast. Spagnuolo is doing a great job in Stl. Once Bradford matures a bit and they put a couple legit weapons around him, look out.

[Lukie]

Also I need to point out that Peyton Hillis is a beast. He's a good pure runner who's hard to bring down and normally falls forward, and thats what most people in Cleveland love him for, but he also has some of the softest hands I've ever seen on a running back and he pass blocks extremely well. He hasn't been used as a lead blocker.

Quinn for Hills + 6th + conditional draft pick (likely a 2012 6th IIRC), hahahaha

[ensign_lee]

I'm surprised Bob hasn't come into this thread with the Suh penalty. That was bullshit.

You can tell that Suh was only doing that because he was afraid of getting a penalty if he tackled him for real...AND THEN HE GETS A PENALTY ANYWAY?!?!?!

Holy F. That's ridiculous.

[WildBobAA]

lol yeah, pushing someone down from behind that's running with the ball is now a personal foul in the NFL

Yet nearly decapitating someone isn't a penalty:

YouTube - {HD} Heath Miller Gets Knocked Out by Jameel McClain Week 13 2010 Live!

great job NFL, way to keep it consistent

Their explanation on the Suh penalty by Ed Hoculi is complete bullshit also.

"When you tackle people, you come in and wrap up and come with your arms and things like that,'' he said. "I felt he delivered a blow to the back (of the) runner that happened to be the quarterback. That is why I was down there following it. He's my responsibility.''

Uhhmmm ok, I guess shoving someone while you are running behind them isn't a football act. I would like to know how the hell someone is supposed to tackle someone from behind. It would seem to me that if I was Culter, I would much rather be shoved in the back rather than having a 320 pound linemen dive and wrap up my legs.

[a500lbgorilla]

^ Yup, that was a low point of that game.

Also, Roethlisberger got a hand in the face and a bloody nose with no penalty.

I don't care if they hand out fines for that hit, since I'm long done trying to figure out the NFL front office.

I just wish we weren't so injured because we have a pretty sick team this year.

[CBAT]

Rams have as many wins this season as they did the previous 3 seasons...............

Anyways, GO JETS!

[bigred]

Rams have as many wins this season as they did the previous 3 seasons...............

Anyways, GO JETS!

How'd the jets do?

TOM BRADY

[a500lbgorilla]

^ Yup, that was a low point of that game.

Also, Roethlisberger got a hand in the face and a bloody nose with no penalty.

I don't care if they hand out fines for that hit, since I'm long done trying to figure out the NFL front office.

I just wish we weren't so injured because we have a pretty sick team this year.

15k for the broken nose and 40k for the Miller hit. And we won, so all is well.