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[OngBonga]

but it's like black people calling each other the n-word,

Yeah. So if it's not racist for black people to say the n word, does that mean the n word isn't racist?

White people who use this term are too stupid to understand it's racist. They think it isn't because it doesn't apply to them, it's a political slur rather than a racist slur. But it's based on skin colour, an angry white person flushed in the face goes gammon coloured. It only applies to white people. I'm perfectly happy that this qualifies as racism. Is it as bad as racism towards black people? No I don't think it is. But that doesn't make it acceptable. If you oppose racism, you should avoid using this slur, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

[Poopadoop]

Yeah. So if it's not racist for black people to say the n word, does that mean the n word isn't racist?

That's not the question I asked you. If it's said by one black person to another, is it racist. Yes or no?

White people who use this term are too stupid to understand it's racist.

We haven't established it is racist. If it were racist for one white person to call another a gammon, then black people calling each other the n-word must be racist too.

They think it isn't because it doesn't apply to them, it's a political slur rather than a racist slur.

I think you're making my argument for me here.

Have you ever heard of the book "Uncle Tom's Cabin?" Uncle Tom was a character in a book written in the 1800s who was very servile towards whites. Black people picked it up in the 60s to use to insult each other. A black man calling another black man an Uncle Tom implied that he kissed up to white people. Was that being racist too?

It only applies to white people. I'm perfectly happy that this qualifies as racism.

Uncle Tom only applies to black people. Same for the n-word. Uncle Tom was only ever used by black people. You therefore must hold that any black person using it was being racist against their own race.

You know who used the insult "Uncle Tom" a lot? Malcolm X. Also Muhammad Ali. Would you argue they were racist against blacks because they used that term? Pretty sure that both of them were widely considered as champions of black people. Or were Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali anti-black because they used a word that had a derogatory meaning towards certain people of their own race?

If you oppose racism, you should avoid using this slur, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

I don't use racial slurs, but you just said it was a political slur, not a racist one. If one white person calls another a gammon, that's between them, and has nothing to do with the caller being racist. If a black person called a white person a gammon, then yes that could be seen as racist. But that's now how the word typically gets used.


The most bemusing part of this whole thing is that they're not objecting to being called an angry ignoramus, they're bitching that it's racist so people who are also white will stop a using a word to depict them as an angry ignoramus.