*** OFFICIAL BREXIT SUNLIT UPLANDS and #MEGA THREAD ***

[OngBonga]

There's 27 countries in the EU parliament, hence 27 separate interests being represented.

You think the EU is a 27-party system? Wow.

By your logic, the Tories aren't a single party, they are 107 different parties.

[Poopadoop]

By your logic, the Tories aren't a single party, they are 107 different parties.

By yours, every country in the EU votes the same way every time.

[OngBonga]

By yours, every country in the EU votes the same way every time.

Not at all. That's just how you're choosing to interpret my comments rather than accept the democratic problems the EU has.

I don't think you understand what a political union is.

[OngBonga]

If the Labour party suddenly said they were merging with the Tories, and voters now had a choice between Dave of the Tories and Steve of the Tories, does that equal democracy to you?

[Poopadoop]

I'm contesting your idea that there's "one party" that votes as a monolith in the EU parliament. There's not. It's indistinguishable from any other parliamentary democracy in that it has representatives from each part of the EU, based on population. You had a MEP who represents you in the EU just like you have an MP who represents you in the UK.

So unless you think the UK also only has "one party" because they all belong to the same country, then I guess we agree you were talking shit, got caught, and now want to change the subject.

[Poopadoop]

7000 jobs gone? Well hey, it's all worth it in some way that no-one can really articulate.

https://twitter.com/PGMcNamara/statu...41262255755266

[OngBonga]

You've completely missed the point. In the UK, you can vote for the Tories, Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, UKIP, Monster Raving Looney Party, a man and his dog. Whoever wins the election forms a government.

In the EU, winning MEPs do not go and form a government. They join an already existing one.

[Poopadoop]

Wow, they really are pushing this whole MEGA thing. Wonder how they're going to pay for that with the pandemic and Brexit double-whammy to the economy.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN27Y314

[OngBonga]

Wow, they really are pushing this whole MEGA thing. Wonder how they're going to pay for that with the pandemic and Brexit double-whammy to the economy.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN27Y314

Easy. By borrowing money and then hiding the debt in the covid legacy.

[Poopadoop]

Easy. By borrowing money and then hiding the debt in the covid legacy.

£4m a year for the Space Army. We will be taking America's place as the world's laughing stock. #MEGA

[OngBonga]

Perhaps calling the EU a one-party system isn't accurate. Perhaps it's better to call them a coalition of 100 different parties (or whatever) that can never pass laws without lobbying and backhanders.

A coalition of two is bad enough if they don't have similar ideology.

[Poopadoop]

You still haven't explained how it's a one-party system. Because it's not.

I think people in the UK know when they're electing Farage or some libdem guy as an MEP what each one is representing.

[OngBonga]

I really can't believe you're this stupid.

It's a one-party system because no matter how we vote, it's the same policy, the same ideology.

There is only one party... the EU party. The MEPs are members of this party. They might be Tories or Labour in the UK, they might be whatever in France, but the EU is a political union, which means they are united in the same political objective. They share a central government. That government is the EU, and will always be the EU, no matter how the people of Europe vote. You can't vote them out like you can vote out the Tories.

[CoccoBill]

I really can't believe you're this stupid.

It's a one-party system because no matter how we vote, it's the same policy, the same ideology.

There is only one party... the EU party. The MEPs are members of this party. They might be Tories or Labour in the UK, they might be whatever in France, but the EU is a political union, which means they are united in the same political objective. They share a central government. That government is the EU, and will always be the EU, no matter how the people of Europe vote. You can't vote them out like you can vote out the Tories.

You might wanna read up a bit:
https://europa.eu/european-union/abo...er%20countries.

[Poopadoop]

You might wanna read up a bit:

Ong? Read up?

[OngBonga]

You might wanna read up a bit:
https://europa.eu/european-union/abo...er%20countries.

Thanks for this.

"governments defend their own country's national interests in the Council of the European Union."
"The European Council sets the EU's overall political direction – but has no powers to pass laws."

So this is very much different to voting in a party that has the power to pass laws, assuming they have a parliamentary majority (or cross party support). The Council do not pass laws, they merely propose them. The laws need to be passed by the Commission and the Parliament.

Also, the Court of Justice is a problem. Courts are sup[posed to be independent of the government. That is (mostly) the case here, with notable exceptions (Julian Assange).

If you're trying to demonstrate that the EU is an form of acceptable democracy, you've failed.

[CoccoBill]

If you're trying to demonstrate that the EU is an form of acceptable democracy, you've failed.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Me? No, I'm merely demonstrating there's no "EU party" in any sense of the word, the MEPs who comprise the EU Parliament are not "united in the same political objective", and the EU "government" acts in a very similar fashion as the federal government in the US. There are federal laws which in theory override local policies, but those are often contended. The majority of the power remains with the states, who have their own legislation.

[OngBonga]

and the EU "government" acts in a very similar fashion as the federal government in the US.

Is it ok for me to reject an American-style federal system?

[CoccoBill]

Is it ok for me to reject an American-style federal system?

Oh absolutely, go for it. Doesn't change though that

I guess we agree you were talking shit, got caught, and now want to change the subject.

[OngBonga]

Oh absolutely, go for it. Doesn't change though that

I'm not talking shit. I do not like the EU's method of democracy. It's not an acceptable system to me. It's in effect a single party system because there is nobody we can vote for to replace the EU, unlike at home where we can vote the Tories out. That isn't shit, is it?

[Poopadoop]

Hey look, some jobs that were created because of Brexit!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-europe-india

#MEGA

[OngBonga]

Hey look, some jobs that were created because of Brexit!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-europe-india

#MEGA

Wow, this is new, companies outsourcing call centres and stuff like that to places like India.

[Miffed22001]

Havent posted here for a decade or so....

[OngBonga]

You're not missing much.

[Poopadoop]

This guy not aware there's a pandemic going on apparently. #MEGA

https://twitter.com/johnredwood/stat...35720610783233

[OngBonga]

lol I appreciate you're probably right, that the pandemic is the cause of the collapse of car sales, but I can guarantee that if anyone uses the pandemic to explain economic problems that you prefer to associate with Brexit, you'd take an opposing view.

[Poopadoop]

lol I appreciate you're probably right, that the pandemic is the cause of the collapse of car sales,

Wait, you mean it didn't happen because we were in the EU for 40+ years?

but I can guarantee that if anyone uses the pandemic to explain economic problems that you prefer to associate with Brexit, you'd take an opposing view.

I don't think anyone is blaming Brexit for pub and restaurant sales being down, if that's what you mean.

Edit: But if we wait long enough, someone will blame it on still being in the EU.

[OngBonga]

Hey poop, I appreciate you're no fan of Boris, but what about Trudeau?

I saw two bits of footage from him, one saying that claims of a "great reset" were a conspiracy theory, another say the pandemic is a great opportunity for... drumroll please... a reset.

Tell me you think he's a clown too.

[Poopadoop]

Hey poop, I appreciate you're no fan of Boris, but what about Trudeau?

I saw two bits of footage from him, one saying that claims of a "great reset" were a conspiracy theory, another say the pandemic is a great opportunity for... drumroll please... a reset.

Tell me you think he's a clown too.

He's a bit of a weenie and obviously he's a politician so he's fos and following the wind, but he's nowhere near on the level of Boris when it comes to self-contradiction.

On the scale of shitty politicians you'd have to go past quite a few of the current Tory cabinet before you'd find one that isn't worse than Trudeau. Sunak seems to be about the only one of them that isn't a complete tosser, and that's just the ones I can think of: Hancock, Gove, Cruella Patel, I'm no fan of any of them.

[OngBonga]

Actually I like Anne Widdecombe. She's no liar, she gives zero fucks about offending sensitive people. She's a cunt too, but the kind of cunt I can at least have some respect for. An honest cunt.

[OngBonga]

I don't think there's a single politician I can say I'm a fan of. I kinda like Farage, but only because I found his comments at the EU highly amusing. But he's still just another liar. I definitely do not trust him. Politicians are cunts, the lot of them.

[Poopadoop]

You might like Andrea Jenkins too then.

https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/st...35372422541313

[OngBonga]

"global powerhouse"

Nope, not a fan. Believe it or not, I am very much in favour of us winding our necks in when it comes to international affairs. That's why I don't give a fuck about "influence" and all that bollocks. I do find it amusing that the left say we'll lose "influence" while also despising our foreign policy. I'd have thought that loss of influence would be welcomed by the left.

[Poopadoop]

Uh no, you want influence. What you don't want is to go around starting wars with third world countries like Blair did, or selling arms to S.A.

[OngBonga]

Influence is for arrogant people who want to feel important.

[Poopadoop]

Pro-Brexit Daily Mail outraged that EU rules will apply to the UK once it leaves the EU. Arrrrghghggh! MEGA!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vel-rules.html

[Poopadoop]

Oh no, not the fishermen too!!

[Poopadoop]

Sick Brexit burn at the end of this.

[Poopadoop]

"Easiest trade deal in history." #MEGA.

[Poopadoop]

Wait, I thought they need us more than we need them. Why is Boris flying off to Brussels to beg for a deal?

https://twitter.com/MaximilianJans2/...22298682937344

[OngBonga]

Free dinner.

[Poopadoop]

..and he gets to avoid the lineups at the airports starting in Jan.

[OngBonga]

Did you see that imported brie is going to cost 40% more? That's great news for British cheese makers.

[Poopadoop]

Everything's coming up unicorns.

[Poopadoop]

This is surprising, seeing as this is the same guy who recited Kipling (a notorious jingo racist) while he was foreign secretary in a temple in Malaya.

#MEGA

https://twitter.com/SeanRampton/stat...70163913940992

[OngBonga]

On the one hand, I'm annoyed he's not taking this seriously. On the other, I can't pretend I'd show them any respect.

[Poopadoop]

People responsible for a no-deal Brexit:

1.Brexiters

2. The UK government

3. Remainers.

4. The EU.

5. French fishermen.

6. Who cares? A no-deal Brexit will be great! #MEGA

[OngBonga]

I acknowledge my responsibility for a no-deal Brexit. I knew full well that this was a possibility when I voted, and was still happy to vote for it. I'd have preferred a mutually beneficial trade deal, but a no-deal Brexit was the default, and is preferable to remaining. In my opinion, of course. I respect other peoples' opinion, unless they want to overthrow a democratic result, naturally.

[Poopadoop]

I acknowledge my responsibility for a no-deal Brexit. I knew full well that this was a possibility when I voted, and was still happy to vote for it.

Did you really? Did you understand what a no-deal would entail (be honest)? And, when you put the loss of jobs, food and medicine shortages, restrictions on travel, inflation, estrangement from our allies, and possibility of secession of Scotland and NI from the UK all together on one side of the scale, what is it on the benefits side of the scale that makes you feel that this all going to be worth it?

And if you mention fish, Stilton cheese, the German car industry, or the EU Imperial Army again I am going to stop taking you seriously at all.

I'd have preferred a mutually beneficial trade deal, but a no-deal Brexit was the default, and is preferable to remaining. In my opinion, of course. I respect other peoples' opinion, unless they want to overthrow a democratic result, naturally.

And how much national misery and for how long will it take for you to be convinced that perhaps the outcome of that democratic result is worth revisiting?

[CoccoBill]

what is it on the benefits side of the scale that makes you feel that this all going to be worth it?

I'm guessing some abstract feeling of sovereignty.

[Poopadoop]

I guess we see why they needed to give that big boost to the defense budget in the middle of a pandemic. #MEGA

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...rmen-x35kbkbh6

[OngBonga]

Did you really? Did you understand what a no-deal would entail (be honest)?

I understood that it would mean potential tariffs, and understood that it would require an economic adaptation, which may well have come with a period of economic downturn. Of course I didn't expect such a economic shock to coincide with a pandemic, which will cause a much larger economic shock than anything Brexit could do.

and possibility of secession of Scotland and NI from the UK all together

If and when this happens, the same people who are screaming at people for saying "sovereignty" will be making the same arguments, only avoiding use of that word. People will scream that Scotland has a right to self determination (which they do), while ignoring that this very right to self determination is precisely why we voted to leave the EU.

The EU is a superstate. Whether you acknowledge that or not will not change my mind. I do not want the UK to be a member of a larger superstate. Just like many Scots don't want to be in the UK, because England dominates their interests. In the EU, the collective interests of others (primarily France and Germany) dominate our interests.

I understand why Scotland wants to leave. They want to run their own affairs without the English meddling. Devolution has allowed them to be able to do so to a reasonably large scale, but ultimately they can be overruled, and things like foreign policy and economic policy are dominated by Westminster, ie England.

And if you mention fish, Stilton cheese, the German car industry, or the EU Imperial Army again I am going to stop taking you seriously at all.

These seem to be things you think about more than I do. These are small parts of an economy. As for the "Imperial Army", they have talked about it, which is enough for me to be happy I grabbed the one chance I'll ever have.



This is Merkel, not some random EU nobody. This is one of the most powerful people in the world. When Merkel is saying that they should have an army, believe that it's on their agenda. Whether it'll happen or not will largely depend on how strongly the public oppose it, but they clearly want it.

How big such an army would be, and if it replaces armies of nation states or simply compliment them, I can't possibly know. A peacekeeping force isn't a scary idea, but we already have one... the UN. So what's the point? Why are they even considering it?

In 2016 this was a conspiracy theory, the ramblings of paranoia. In 2018 it's being promoted by Merkel.

And how much national misery and for how long will it take for you to be convinced that perhaps the outcome of that democratic result is worth revisiting?

It'll be almost impossible to even measure the economic impact, since it will be dwarfed by covid. The next decade will be very difficult for most countries. So idk. I don't think we can even begin to have the conversation seriously until 2030. Before then it's just unhelpful noise. It's not like they'd let us back in next year if we begged them.

[Poopadoop]

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[Poopadoop]

I understood that it would mean potential tariffs, and understood that it would require an economic adaptation, which may well have come with a period of economic downturn. Of course I didn't expect such a economic shock to coincide with a pandemic, which will cause a much larger economic shock than anything Brexit could do.

Arguing that Brexit is not as bad as a pandemic is super weak.

We've never been short of food because of covid. I'd much rather run out of asswipe knowing more will be in the stores in a couple of weeks than run out of fresh fruit and veg and be relying on Boris to get his thumb out to fix it.

The pandemic was also unavoidable. A no-deal Brexit was avoidable.

If and when this happens, the same people who are screaming at people for saying "sovereignty" will be making the same arguments, only avoiding use of that word. People will scream that Scotland has a right to self determination (which they do), while ignoring that this very right to self determination is precisely why we voted to leave the EU.

That wasn't my point, whether people have a right to leave the UK or not. We both agree they do. Who cares what other people say? The point is the smaller we get the weaker and more isolated we become.

In the EU, the collective interests of others (primarily France and Germany) dominate our interests.

This might be a valid point, except that their economic interests (which they mainly promote by pooling their power thru membership in a protectionist trading bloc which at the same time allows free trade among its members) are pretty much identical to ours. Certainly enough so that leaving the EU will punish our interests more than theirs.

Disagreements over minor issues like fishing rights are petty compared to the overall benefits, like being able to sell our fish in the EU, not to mention our cars and financial services.

It'll be almost impossible to even measure the economic impact, since it will be dwarfed by covid. The next decade will be very difficult for most countries. So idk. I don't think we can even begin to have the conversation seriously until 2030. Before then it's just unhelpful noise. It's not like they'd let us back in next year if we begged them.

The covid shock will be short term, no-one expects a great depression to result. Once the vaccine is widely distributed things will pretty much go back to pre-covid days, with a few exceptions.

I think a safe comparison would be to measure our economic performance compared to other countries that have suffered similarly due to covid, starting from 2021 forwards. If we subtract the difference, it will be fairly easy how much worse things are because of Brexit than they otherwise would have been. Of course, the average person won't be able to grasp this, and I have virtually no hope that a convinced Brexiter will accept any arguments along these lines no matter how strong the evidence is. They will just stick their fingers in their ears and shout #MEGA.

[OngBonga]

Arguing that Brexit is not as bad as a pandemic is super weak.

I'm making the point there are more important economic problems right now.

We're not going to run out of food. Stop being hysterical. Not because of Brexit, not because of covid. We might run out of brie, or Choco Libniz, but we're not going to run out of anything that comes from Brazil, or any of the many non-European places much of our produce already comes from.

The point is the smaller we get the weaker and more isolated we become.

This is a matter of opinion. There are subjective terms. Weaker? If we're forced to buy British because it's now cheaper than imports, that is good news for our producers. Where there are tariffs there are opportunities for those not subject to such tariffs, such as those trading in internal markets. So while you think we're weaker, I think we're stronger. And isolated? Again, subjective. We were already isolated, our "influence" has been in decline for many decades, throughout our entire membership of the EU and EEC. We've been isolated from Europe through our foreign policy for a long time. So it's kind of meaningless to talk about being "isolated" when everybody already hates us.

except that their economic interests are pretty much identical to ours

Not at all. Not. At. All.

If this were true, then we would have equally performing economies. But we don't. The British economy has been sluggish compared to Germany, pretty much since the end of WWII. Somehow we paid a higher economic price for that war, and they are still stronger than we are. They have bought up a large part of our car industry which has had positive economic benefit for Germany at the cost of British jobs. So no, our economic interests are not shared.

The covid shock will be short term, no-one expects a great depression to result.

This seems naive. Covid is global. Brexit is not. Brexit won't cause a global recession, but covid will, and that of course impacts upon every economy in the world. I think a great depression is exactly what is coming, and is probably expected by those who work in finance. idk, but I can't see how we avoid it. Every country has been affected.

The vaccine will get things going again, but many people have lost their jobs, much money has been picked from the magic money tree to keep things ticking along, we'll be paying for this for at least a decade in the form of austerity.

Brexit is something business has been expecting for four years now. Contingency plans would have been made. There is opportunity here as well as risk.

[Poopadoop]

I'm making the point there are more important economic problems right now.

We're not going to run out of food. Stop being hysterical. Not because of Brexit, not because of covid. We might run out of brie, or Choco Libniz, but we're not going to run out of anything that comes from Brazil, or any of the many non-European places much of our produce already comes from.

I explained to you before that our current trade deal with Brazil is through the EU trade deal with Mercosur. After Jan. 1 it ceases to exist - poof. So unless Japan has some bananas to sell us, we're going to have shortages, and with them inflation. And not just bananas, but everything that grows outside the UK in winter that we currently import from the EU.

If we're forced to buy British because it's now cheaper than imports, that is good news for our producers.

Only if they couldn't sell those products for a better price outside the UK. That's the only way it's better for them.

In general, restricting markets for producers is not a winning economic strategy. That's why countries form trading blocs and negotiate trade deals with other countries in the first place.

It kinda helps to have options for where you can sell your goods.

Where there are tariffs there are opportunities for those not subject to such tariffs, such as those trading in internal markets.

Nonsense. They always had zero tariffs in the internal markets. That's nothing new. THe new bit is that they will have a harder time selling to external markets like the soon-to-be external market of the EU.

So while you think we're weaker, I think we're stronger.

You haven't explained how, except thru a spurious argument about how being hamstrung in external markets will somehow benefit our producers.

And isolated? Again, subjective. We were already isolated, our "influence" has been in decline for many decades, throughout our entire membership of the EU and EEC. We've been isolated from Europe through our foreign policy for a long time. So it's kind of meaningless to talk about being "isolated" when everybody already hates us.

Oh well, may as well jump right off the cliff then!

If this were true, then we would have equally performing economies.

That does not follow from what I said at all. Countries in a trading bloc don't merge their economies. If that were true, Mexico would be as well off as the US and Canada by now.

They have bought up a large part of our car industry which has had positive economic benefit for Germany at the cost of British jobs. So no, our economic interests are not shared.

Another argument I've already demolished. How many people are employed in the car manufacturing in the UK now and how many will be losing their jobs after Brexit? If leaving the EU is supposed to help us, one might think it would not involve massive losses of jobs.

This seems naive. Covid is global. Brexit is not. Brexit won't cause a global recession, but covid will, and that of course impacts upon every economy in the world. I think a great depression is exactly what is coming, and is probably expected by those who work in finance. idk, but I can't see how we avoid it. Every country has been affected.

The vaccine will get things going again, but many people have lost their jobs, much money has been picked from the magic money tree to keep things ticking along, we'll be paying for this for at least a decade in the form of austerity.

Ok maybe that will happen, I don't know. But that doesn't really answer my point. We'll be worse off than other countries who started 2021 in a similar position because of Brexit. But the gov't will blame it all on covid. Or the EU. Or anyone but themselves. That much I am sure of.

Brexit is something business has been expecting for four years now. Contingency plans would have been made. There is opportunity here as well as risk.

Lol, the gov't is not even prepared. How many customs agents have they hired now? I guarantee you it's not as many as will be needed. The problem is there has been a great deal of uncertainty about whether and what kind of trade arrangements we would have with the EU, and little guidance from the gov't, so it's going to be chaos. Everybone agrees on that who isn't a Tory shill.

[Poopadoop]

https://twitter.com/WhatNowDoc/statu...14431847768065

Cliffs:

English guy to Dutch plant seller: "Hey dude, got some plants to sell me?"

Dutch guy: "We're out of those now. Also not sure if we can still sell to the UK after Brexit."

English guy: "Arrrrggghh!! We saved your ass in WWII! MEGA! This is why we're leaving the EU, you ungrateful bastard! Arrrggghghggh!!! I'll never buy from you again!!!! Also, MEGA!!"


Then English guy posted it on twitter himself so everyone could see what a douche he was.

[Poopadoop]

Goddamn Eurolibtards! #MEGA

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/brexit/e...651511.article

[Poopadoop]

Arrrgghgghgh! Where are my sunlit uplands???

https://twitter.com/zacM6/status/1339988825964199937

[Poopadoop]

#BREXIT #SunlitUplands #MEGA

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tter_share-top

[Poopadoop]

Weds. 16 Dec., Prime Minister's Questions:

Starmer (leader of opposition): "Infection rates are still going up. We need to do something."

Boris the Clown: "Waf waf waf. He wants to cancel Christmas everybody!"


Today, Sat. 19 Dec.:

Boris: "Christmas is cancelled everyone, sorry about that."

[The Bean Counter]

Gross incompetence from day one of Boris’ leadership. This Christmas announcement is the final straw for me. He needs to fk all the way off now.

Turns out when you vote for a blithering idiot, that’s exactly what you get. Who would have thought it?

Death by a thousand cuts for the economy with the COVID mismanagement. Now let’s finish it off with Brexit.

[Poopadoop]

I gladly would pay £1k to be able to punch him in the face right now.

[oskar]

But fishing is saved, right?

[Poopadoop]

But fishing is saved, right?

I refer you to post #273 above.

[oskar]

I refer you to post #273 above.

oh no!

[OngBonga]

There's only one person who has authority over me, and that's my Mom. If she tells me I'm going to hers for Christmas, I'm fucking going.

They're saying I'm only allowed to go on Christmas day, but I have to get the train. I could go late on Christmas Eve, and wait until midnight before asking Mom to let me in, staying for 24 hours, then leaving at midnight to sit at the train station for 30-odd hours until I can get home.

Or, I could ignore what they say, turn up first thing on Christmas Eve, wrap the presents, have a bath and a nap, then get pissed until the 28th with the family.

[Poopadoop]

This should be No. 1 in the UK

[OngBonga]

The funny thing is, the Tories will still win the next election. Despite Boris being an incompetent liar, people still trust him more than Starmer. Fucking state of British politics.

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right.

[Poopadoop]

The funny thing is, the Tories will still win the next election. Despite Boris being an incompetent liar, people still trust him more than Starmer. Fucking state of British politics.

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right.

Lol, if the election were held tomorrow they would get their asses handed to them so badly. If it were held three months into Brexit, they'd lose every seat.

I doubt they will win in 2024 either, but it's a long ways off and a lot can happen. Boris resigning will help them somewhat, but not sure it will be enough.

[Poopadoop]

Brexit to the left of me, covid to the right, how I will starve in the UK with you.

fyp

[OngBonga]

You still think we're going to starve? So what's more stupid? Voting for starvation? Or staying in the country when you don't need to, even though you think you'll starve?

[OngBonga]

Brexit to the right of me, covid to the left, here I am running out of lettuce with you.

[Poopadoop]

Brexit to the right of me, covid to the left, here I am running out of lettuce with you.

If it were only lettuce that would be pretty minor.

Go down the list of all the food we import during the winter. I know you're too lazy to do that, but youll find out soon enough it's a substantial list. Thatcher joined the EU in the first place for food security.

[Poopadoop]

You still think we're going to starve? So what's more stupid? Voting for starvation? Or staying in the country when you don't need to, even though you think you'll starve?

I don't literally think we're going to starve obviously.

But I think we are going to have shortages of food, in particular fresh fruit and veg. For some of the country, they probably live on fish and chips and beans on toast anyways, so no biggie. But for someone who prefers a nutritious and varied diet, it's a bit of Brexit I'm not looking forward to.