*** OFFICIAL BREXIT SUNLIT UPLANDS and #MEGA THREAD ***

[OngBonga]

Let's look at this another way. Let's imagine USA said to the UK "hey we're going to make cannabis legal in the UK whether you like it or not". Am I happy about that? No.

It doesn't matter if it's a good law or a bad law. What matters is the democratic power to choose who makes the law.

[Poopadoop]

Let's look at this another way. Let's imagine USA said to the UK "hey we're going to make cannabis legal in the UK whether you like it or not". Am I happy about that? No.

Liar.

It doesn't matter if it's a good law or a bad law. What matters is the democratic power to choose who makes the law.

We had the democratic power to elect MEPs, we just chose to elect a bunch of wankers like Farage instead of serious people.

But let's assume it's the principle of the whole thing you object to. In that case, we shouldn't be bound by any international obligations, since all of these were decided, at least in part, and often in large part, by foreigners who we didn't elect. So, out of the UN, out of NATO, and a myriad of other intn'l organisations because we didn't make their rules up entirely by ourselves.

Moreover, David Frost (sorry, "Lord" Frost), who negotiated our Brexit deal and who now says it's a shambles, was he an example of the use of democratic power? I don't remember voting for him, and neither does anyone else.

[OngBonga]

Do the Scottish currently have any democratic control over who runs the UK? They clearly didn't have any democratic control as to whether they remained in the EU or not. Hence, there is an appetite for independence, to take that democratic control.

You are utterly incapable of applying the same nationalist motivation in Scotland to the English. It's because you hate the English, you treat us as though we are colonisers, the bad guys of the world, you think we must make up for our colonial history by becoming politically dominated by others. The Scottish, well you accept their desire for independence because it's us, the English influence they want to get rid of. If it were European influence you'd be outraged.

[Poopadoop]

Do the Scottish currently have any democratic control over who runs the UK? They clearly didn't have any democratic control as to whether they remained in the EU or not.

What about all the other parts of the country who voted Remain? Were their democratic rights denied to them too? London voted to Remain, but had to go along with the rest of the UK, just like Scotland. Why aren't you mentioning London's lack of democratic control?

You're not proving anything with this Scotland stuff.

It's because you hate the English,

lol, what pathetic victim playing ITT. Trust me mate, I'm not having a go at Brexit because it was the English who did it. If I lived anywhere and a country collectively voted for something so stupid I'd be calling it out there too.

you treat us as though we are colonisers, the bad guys of the world,

No I treat you as though you were former colonisers, just as a lot of countries were. That's (mainly) in the past now. Not sure what that's got to do with the EU though. I don't think Spain or France are bad countries because they had a lot of colonies a hundred years ago. That's just what happened back then.

you think we must make up for our colonial history by becoming politically dominated by others.

Reductio ad readingyourmindum.

When have I ever said anything remotely close to this? My entire argument has been that it's stupid economically to leave the EU, and that whatever "sovereignty" has been gained in returned is nebulous as best.

The Scottish, well you accept their desire for independence because it's us, the English influence they want to get rid of. If it were European influence you'd be outraged.

More mind-reading.

I understand their desire for independence, but if you've been paying attention these last few years I've said it would also be ecomically stupid. You can want something but at the same time realise it's not worth it. Which is where Scotland seems to be at.