Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
Unfortunately this is not an argument anyone wins. This problem isn't going away, even if myself and mojo reach an agreement.

The problem is you have two opposing sides who are both trying to protect one group, and is comes at the perceived cost of another group. Nobody thinks they are on the wrong side of history when it comes to this debate.

When both sides of the argument is motivated by good, and when backing down means a perceived abandonment of the group you think you're protecting, then compromise is hard to come by.

Mojo has no intention of relaxing his view because the women I claim to be protecting, he thinks are bigots. If I can't make him see differently, there's no hope. I have to respect his opinion even if I disagree. I sort of understand why he thinks it. It's just not a view I share. I use the word bigot differently to how he uses it... for me it's a matter of hate, not fear. Mojo wants to protect trans people from social exclusion. That's a fine motivation.

I have no intention of relaxing my view because to do so would be to accept that women are wrong to want privacy from other sexes in certain contexts. I don't believe they are wrong to want that. I understand why they went separation from men, so I extend that understanding to other people who are not women.

We're both motivated by our sense of morality. We both want a better society. And that is not something either of us want to budge on. So no progress happens. This isn't just a problem for me and mojo, it's the same problem society faces.
Goddamn... well said.

Respect