*** OFFICIAL BREXIT SUNLIT UPLANDS and #MEGA THREAD ***

[Poopadoop]

Q: What could be even better than Brexit?

A: Brexit plus a trade war with the EU plus no trade deal with the US!

[OngBonga]

They probably know it's their last chance before we are free from the shackles of the liberal Eurotards and we can start treating refugees like dirt. #MEGA

I mean, you don't even believe this yourself. I can't be arsed to discuss this with you. It wasn't long ago that I thought oskar was more "deranged left" than you. I was wrong about that. Oskar at least debates in good faith. You don't.

[Poopadoop]

I mean, you don't even believe this yourself.

You're right I don't. We're already treating refugees like dirt and we're still in the EU.

Maybe it's something to do with being able to speak English like Oskar said, or having relatives or other contacts here that they don't have in France. Whatever it is, I'm pretty sure they're not being drawn to us because we're in the EU.

[OngBonga]

The point was to show that you only have the vaguest reasons for supporting Brexit, reasons that you don't fully understand yourself. You bring up talking points like regulation, immigration, and sovereignty without actually knowing any of the details that would show those talking points to be spurious.

I don't know if you actually believe that those who oppose the EU need to be experts in the intricacies of regulations. My "vague" reasons for wanting to leave the EU are based on sovereignty and democracy. You don't like to talk about the democratic aspect of the EU because that isn't vague. Instead you focus on shit like regulations, and then gotcha me when I admit I don't give a fuck about researching regulations.

The National Farmer's Union, who arguably has a bigger stake in this than you, considers the ability to trade unhindered with the EU as vital to its interests, and has expressed a deep concern over the prospect of a no-deal Brexit.

No politics there, of course. The same farmers voted to leave. Rural areas of England voted overwhelming to leave.

The funny thing about this is you choose a country that's in the EU to export your tomatoes to. So, when we leave the EU, do you think those regulations would no longer apply to someone trying to export tomatoes to France?

Later on I'll try to sell tomatoes to Canada.

I'll give you a hint: The answer is the regulations for export to the EU post-Brexit will be those 24 pages plus whatever else gets added after Brexit.

Um no, EU regulations do not apply to exports to Canada.

I have a moral issue with one's country of birth being a criteria for their receiving benefits or not receiving benefits

Well I have a moral issue with emigrating for the sole reason of accessing benefits. Do you think I have the moral right to move to Japan and access their benefits? I'd like to.

I'm starting to think that the reason this worries you is because you think they'll someday cut out benefits even for you, and that that movement will gain traction the more people there are receiving benefits.

Swing and a miss.

Yeah, in about 5 years when it becomes crystal clear even to the most stubborn Brexiter that this was a huge mistake.

I doubt that very much. Give it another ten years and the EU will have lost more members.

[Poopadoop]

I don't know if you actually believe that those who oppose the EU need to be experts in the intricacies of regulations.

I just think if you're going to give "regulations bad!" as a valid reason for leaving you should have a basic (not intricate, just basic) understanding of how those regulations affect us.

There's lots of laws in this country that I have to follow. I don't use that as a reason to pack up and go live in the woods.

My "vague" reasons for wanting to leave the EU are based on sovereignty and democracy.

I hate to get philosophical here, but just saying words like "sovereignty" and "democracy" is not a valid form of argument. What is it we're losing out on here as a member of the EU in terms of sovereignty and democracy?

You don't like to talk about the democratic aspect of the EU because that isn't vague. Instead you focus on shit like regulations, and then gotcha me when I admit I don't give a fuck about researching regulations.

You're the one who brought up regulations. And the tampon tax. I can only respond to things you say, not things you didn't say. I'm not banana.

No politics there, of course.

The Farmer's Union is left-wing?

The same farmers voted to leave. Rural areas of England voted overwhelming to leave.

Well first, not everyone in a rural area is a farmer. And second, not everyone who voted to Leave wanted a no deal Brexit.

And third, the Farmer's Union as a whole very likely has a better understanding of the economic impact of Brexit than any given individual farmer.

Later on I'll try to sell tomatoes to Canada.

Well it's too bad we don't have a trade deal with Canada then. So, why would Canada buy your English tomatoes when they already get all the tomatoes that they need from the US? Are you gonna undercut the US growers as well as the WTO tariffs? You might want to discuss that with the Famers Union.

Um no, EU regulations do not apply to exports to Canada.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that Canada has its own set of regulations on food items it imports. Not sure if you thought regulations were strictly an EU thing. They're not.

Well I have a moral issue with emigrating for the sole reason of accessing benefits. Do you think I have the moral right to move to Japan and access their benefits? I'd like to.

How is being in the EU forcing us to take large numbers of benefit-seekers? We won't even take refugees on a dinghy.

You're blaming the EU for an imaginary immigration policy that welcomes benefit-seekers (which we don't).

Swing and a miss.

Ok then.

I doubt that very much. Give it another ten years and the EU will have lost more members.

Haha, I doubt very much we will be setting the kind of precedent that other countries currently in the EU will want to follow.

[Poopadoop]

Also worth pointing out here that Canada is a long ways away, and it costs more money to ship things further, and there's more spoilage.

I'm speculating here, but I suspect the average Canadian is unlikely to want to buy your expensive, two-week old tomatoes instead of the tariff-free 3 day old tomatoes that come from the US.

Think you need a Plan B or C or whatever we're up to now for selling your tomatoes.

Oh, I know! Sell them here in the UK! Can you guess what's wrong with that plan, or should I explain it to you? I'll give you a hint: supply and demand.