Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
I don't think so, and I think it's dubious to say this comes down to science. When it came to 9/11, my paranoia was 100% science based. I didn't, and still don't, understand how a building can turn entirely into dust and collapse at near freefall speed without strategic explosives taking it down. The only explanation that made sense was the professional demolition idea. But that means it wasn't the planes that brought them down, and once I come to that conclusion, the official narrative, or even the Pearl Harbour style "eyes closed" theory, become untenable.
Science: acceleration near the Earth's surface is 9.8 m/s^2
Ong: How can a thing fall down at 9.8 m/s^2 unless it was blown up?
Science: That's how things fall
Ong: I don't trust scientists.

Scientists: We never wanted anyone to take our word for anything: here's the information we heard. Here's the experiments we've run. Here's how to perform these experiments yourself to form your own conclusions. PLEASE don't take our word for it and do test it yourself, and if you can, PLEASE prove us wrong!

Ong: I have better things to do. Still don't trust you.

Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
I mean, let's say there are freezer trucks behind the morgues. Is it scientifically impossible they are there for show? Of course not. Is it scientifically impossible for governments to convince sincere scientists that there is a legit viral pandemic? This is a better question, and one I don't know the answer to.
Is it scientifically possible? Yes, up until the point you check. Then it's no longer scientifically possible, 'cause the accumulation of new information has eroded past ignorance.

The healthcare workers who are actually working in the morgues in tens of thousands of hospitals around the world... are you asserting that they are in on this conspiracy? That they know those trucks are not holding any bodies, and the morgues aren't full, and they are OK with letting the hospital turn away patients on the claims of "Sorry no room 'cause COVID" when there is in fact plenty of room? Is that scientifically plausible to you?

Are you suggesting All those doctors and nurses who swore an oath to "do no harm" are now creating fraudulent vlog channels showing an elaborate Hollywood style set to perpetuate the conspiracy that the hospitals are filled with COVID patients when the truth is that the hospitals are really empty? They're perpetuating a hoax that turns sick people away from medical treatment they need based on the lie that there's no room in the hospital to treat them? That's a scientifically plausible situation to you?

How about the death rates? Those people are verifiably dead. Their families are all just hiding these living relatives to further the conspiracy? Millions of family members of all ages, conspiring to keep their supposedly dead loved ones out of the public eye?
Is that plausible to you?

I don't understand how these few facts can play into the notion that COVID is a hoax. This is a worldwide pandemic. The evidence is literally everywhere. How can you see something on this scale happening - with the millions of voices that have to remain silent in order for this secret to be kept - and not immediately see that is not humanly possible to pull off a hoax of this scale.

The hoax would have to be that the virus is real, but something like - it was a biological weapon that was meant to target one people, but got out of hand and mutated to affect everyone. That is scientifically plausible. The notion that SARS-CoV2 is a myth is not.

Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
I mean, there's a risk here that you guys think I'm 100% behind the covid hoax idea. I'm not. I just don't rule it out, and at the very least I suspect our government, and probably every government in the world, are exploiting it. Perhaps the conspiracy is that it was lab created. Emphasis on "perhaps". This isn't contradicting science. This stuff is possible. We're not into 5G territory here.

I don't think my skepticism is unhealthy. I don't rant about this on Twitter, or any other internet platform. I might discuss it with friends casually, but I'm not trying to convince anyone not to take the vaccine, or to go out and party. And I'm not losing any sleep. So I don't see what's unhealthy about my skepticism.
I meant unhealthy for you, not the world at large.

This kind of science denial is, IMO, unhealthy for the world, but that's not my point, and not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about my friend ongie, and the way I don't understand how this preponderance of information leaves him with any doubt about the pandemic being a real pandemic that is killing millions of people.