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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Their anti-LGBT laws are religion based. Funny how it's a problem when it's Poland but if we cry about anti-LGBT laws in an Islamic country it's racism.
    Because there are no Islamic EU members to scold at. Do you think an Islamic country would be allowed to join the EU?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Former PM of Finland saying EU should be ready to send emergency supplies to Britain.

    Hope you've got your lorry driver license, coco.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...er-pm-finland/
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    Because there are no Islamic EU members to scold at. Do you think an Islamic country would be allowed to join the EU?
    According to the Leave campaigners in 2016, Turkey was on the verge of joining the EU any minute, followed immediately by an influx of a million or so Turkish immigrants to the UK alone, most of which would presumably have been terrorists.

    But I'm sure no-one was ever swayed by that ridiculous argument to vote to impose economic sanctions on themselves. That would have been silly.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    I do actually, have needed it exactly 0 times my whole life. I can send a bog roll if things get really dire.
    Make sure you fuel up before you leave Calais.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    According to the Leave campaigners in 2016, Turkey was on the verge of joining the EU any minute, followed immediately by an influx of a million or so Turkish immigrants to the UK alone, most of which would presumably have been terrorists.

    But I'm sure no-one was ever swayed by that ridiculous argument to vote to impose economic sanctions on themselves. That would have been silly.
    Well tbf I never followed their join process too closely, but seems like they applied in 2005, and "out of the 35 Chapters necessary to complete the accession process only 16 had been opened and one had been closed by May 2016." After that the negotiations stalled completely. So doesn't seem like they were anywhere near getting a membership at any point, but I guess it would have been rude to just immediately tell them to piss off.

    And also tbf, I've heard this argument about the left treating Islam somehow differently for numerous times. I don't personally think at all they should be treated differently, if anything they're some of the worst offenders when it comes to religious bs. I also don't know any Islam apologists, nor have even seen anyone say or write anything to make it seem like they were, so I'm not quite sure where this whole debate is happening, outside conservative forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    Because there are no Islamic EU members to scold at. Do you think an Islamic country would be allowed to join the EU?
    Yes. Turkey, Albania, and Kosovo all want to join.

    I see poop has rather maturely replied to this already, yadder yadder a million migrants please talk about something else other than what we were talking about, which is LGBT+ rights.
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    Not as mature as your remark that the left tolerates religious intolerance from Muslims but not from Christians. I think in reality, it's the far right that has the most to answer for as far as putting up with if not encouraging Christian wackyness goes.

    I don't know anyone on the left or right who are keen on beheadings or honour killing. But those on the left tend to think these problems aren't as widespread as those on the right do, so the former is more open to muslim immigration as a whole.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  8. #1808
    And yeah, it was a real thing they used to get people worked up into voting Leave.

    https://www.france24.com/en/20190226...e-leave-advert
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  9. #1809
    The left have a tendency to scream "racism" is someone dares to say "I don't want Islamic immigration because they are homophobic and treat women like slaves". Even though Islams ins't a race.

    Who's talking about beheadings and honour killings? Again, we're talking about LGBT+. Or we could talk about FGM instead. And circumcision while we're at it so we're not just picking on Muslims. Widespread, not restricted to small pockets of batshit fundamentalists.

    Christianism in the UK has at least moved on from the 14th century. You might still get a Christian cakemaker refuse to make a gay cake, but British law is not discriminatory based on Christian values.
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    Yes I said Christianism not Christianity. Fuck me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The left have a tendency to scream "racism" is someone dares to say "I don't want Islamic immigration because they are homophobic and treat women like slaves". Even though Islams ins't a race.
    You're twisting things a bit there. Some people on the left assume Islamaphobia has something to do with race and /or xenophobia because a) a lot of muslims are brown; and b) a lot of islamaphobes are also racists, so its' hard to disentangle their objection to Islam from their more general objection to anyone who isn't the same colour as they are.

    I don't think anyone on the left would disagree with the argument the way you state it there - referring to homophobic-ism and poor treatment of women. That's usually not quite how the argument is stated though, and I suspect you know that. More often it's about "foreigners" and "coming to live off our benefit systems, staying in four star hotels, etc.."

    The thing with the refugees in dinghies coming over is a good case in point. Their religious beliefs don't normally get raised as a reason to try to drown them. It's a more general thing using the arguments I mentioned above. And when the same people making those arguments also tend to be the same ones who don't want black people or Indians moving into their neighborhoods, it's easy to lump that all into the single category of racism. But maybe you're right, maybe the refugees should be drowned because some of them are Muslims.





    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Who's talking about beheadings and honour killings? Again, we're talking about LGBT+.
    And again, you'll have a hard time finding me an example of someone on the right saying "goddamn Muslims and their treatment of LGBT+ folks," followed by someone on the left saying "no, we like the fact they treat LGBT+ folks badly. You're just a racist." I mean lol, when has that ever happened? That's quite the imagination you have there.




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Christianism in the UK has at least moved on from the 14th century. You might still get a Christian cakemaker refuse to make a gay cake, but British law is not discriminatory based on Christian values.
    It's not discriminatory based on Muslim values either. Muslims who come here still have to follow our laws; they don't get a free pass because they're not Christian. If they mistreat LGBT+ folk, they get punished the same as everyone else.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  12. #1812
    More often it's about "foreigners" and "coming to live off our benefit systems, staying in four star hotels, etc.."
    The fact we treat migrants better than the homeless is indeed a factor, sure. I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I don't resent someone coming here for economic reasons. It's not their fault they want a better life and we're willing to give it to them. But I can totally understand why people might want a different policy.

    The thing with the refugees in dinghies coming over is a good case in point.
    People fleeing France for economic reasons. And people being exploited by people traffickers. I think most people want a legal, controlled method of immigration processing, rather than boats coming ashore with undocumented people while supporting organised crime networks.

    But maybe you're right, maybe the refugees should be drowned...
    Your language here is insincere. Nobody wants them to drown. People want them to not make a stupidly dangerous crossing. And please don't forget they are fleeing a Western country that is not at war. There is no reason to risk the crossing except for economic reasons. I am in favour of prioritising those who attempt to enter the UK legally and safely, these are the kind of economic migrants we should be prioritising. Those who do come ashore should be taken back to France. Not left to drown, taken back to France. Huge difference. Nobody wants them to drown.

    If they mistreat LGBT+ folk, they get punished the same as everyone else.
    Supposedly. This might be true in the case of, say, going to a gay bar and beating someone up, but it's not so true when it comes to family members. There is a charity called Imaan who specifically deal with Muslims in the UK who have been isolated from family, friends, work or their religion due to their sexuality. Their existence is evidence there's a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The fact we treat migrants better than the homeless is indeed a factor, sure.
    Is it illegal to help drowning homeless people now? I didn't know...



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I don't resent someone coming here for economic reasons. It's not their fault they want a better life and we're willing to give it to them. But I can totally understand why people might want a different policy.

    Ooh, I thought we'd gotten past this. Economic reasons. Though I guess you're likely to have more income if you can make it to some country where you're not being hunted for sport.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    People fleeing France for economic reasons. And people being exploited by people traffickers.
    Like anyone thinks they'd be better off economically in the UK than Europe right now lol.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    And people being exploited by people traffickers.
    That's the only two categories of refugees you recognize huh?



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    Your language here is insincere. Nobody wants them to drown.
    One word: Cruela Patel.




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    People want them to not make a stupidly dangerous crossing. And please don't forget they are fleeing a Western country that is not at war. There is no reason to risk the crossing except for economic reasons.
    There's plenty of reasons as we've already explained to you. Being able to speak English and not French. Having family here. Those are the two most likely.




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I am in favour of prioritising those who attempt to enter the UK legally and safely, these are the kind of economic migrants we should be prioritising. Those who do come ashore should be taken back to France. Not left to drown, taken back to France. Huge difference. Nobody wants them to drown.
    Cruela Patel does.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    There is a charity called Imaan who specifically deal with Muslims in the UK who have been isolated from family, friends, work or their religion due to their sexuality. Their existence is evidence there's a problem.
    And yet anyone who thinks not wanting muslims to immigrate here because you're a racist must themselves be a homophobe. Or something like that.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
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    Like anyone thinks they'd be better off economically in the UK than Europe right now lol.
    It's funny you should say this. Economic migrants fleeing Europe at all costs to come to the UK. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so dangerous.

    That's the only two categories of refugees you recognize huh?
    Of course not. But we have people arriving who are specifically choosing the UK, they are not simply fleeing their own country. Don't you find this odd?

    One word: Cruela Patel.
    That's two words. And please quote or link where she wants migrants to drown. That would be quite something coming from a woman born to migrant parents.

    Being able to speak English and not French. Having family here. Those are the two most likely.
    We have discussed this, and there are people arriving who do not speak English, so the language one isn't cutting it. Nobody in the right mind is willing to literally risk their life just so they don't have to learn a new language, especially if they already speak English which is still fairly well understood in Europe. And if they have family, then they are well placed to enter legally.

    I know this might be hard for you to believe, but the reason they want to come here is because the UK is kinder to migrants than anywhere in Europe. Yes, this apparently racist country that everyone in the world hates because we had an empire. This is where migrants want to come, because they can stay in hotels, get benefits, and have free healthcare. That's worth risking your life for.

    Cruela Patel does.
    If she has actually said that then I have no idea how she is still in a job. I can only imagine that her words are being taken grossly out of context by hysterical leftists. Prove me wrong.
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    re: Cruela

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1765077.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/202...-salvini-italy

    So let's see here. She's a) behind the idea of using a wave machine to push them back out to sea (where presumably they could drown); and b) passed a law making it illegal to rescue them if they were drowning.

    Either she really wants them to drown or she prefers that to having them land in the UK. You pick.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    If she has actually said that then I have no idea how she is still in a job.
    Apparently you have no idea who is in charge of the country right now. Look to the left for a clue. He doesn't sack anybody.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  17. #1817
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    This is where migrants want to come, because they can stay in hotels, get benefits, and have free healthcare.
    lol please stop quoting the Daily Mail as if it were factual reporting.

    How many refugees have we taken here relative to other countries in Europe? I'll give you a hint: it's lower per capita than pretty much any other country.

    https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/wp...e-May-2020.pdf
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  18. #1818
    Goddamn Eurolibtards and their freedom-hating public health measures!

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBWJfb4W...jpg&name=small


    Good thing we have the fastest vaccine rollout now that we left the EU. #MEGA

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-country/


    Oh, shit, we're fucked. Better go on another holiday before things get really bad (again).
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  19. #1819
    She's a) behind the idea of using a wave machine to push them back out to sea (where presumably they could drown)
    Are you serious? You can't be being serious. Did you watch the video on that page? Did you hear what was actually said? Remember when I said hysterical leftists? That woman is what I mean. She's asking him to "rule out" wave machines when he said "we don't currently have plans" and that's being presented as "refused to rule it out". This is gutter journalism at its absolute finest and you're linking it here to support your argument that the daughter of migrants wants migrants to drown? Just because she's a nasty Tory who doesn't subscribe to the same leftists bullshit you do? This wave thing is utter nonsense, how can you take that seriously?

    I didn't read the Guardian article, it's 2am and I don't fancy an essay that starts with a 2017 anecdote.

    Either she really wants them to drown or she prefers that to having them land in the UK. You pick.
    She's the Home Secretary. Part of her job is to secure borders. She doesn't want migrants to drown any more than a PM wants civilians to die when bombs get dropped.

    I find it hard to believe there's an actual law that make it illegal to rescue people at sea. Every boat that is on the water within range has a legal duty to attend and rescue. Like I say, it's 2am so I'm not digging now, but I need to see what this apparent law actually says, because I'm expecting it to be more hysterical leftists taking shit out of context, like the wave machine.

    lol please stop quoting the Daily Mail as if it were factual reporting.
    You say this, which I'm not doing, after you post that Independent story.

    How many refugees have we taken here relative to other countries in Europe? I'll give you a hint: it's lower per capita than pretty much any other country.
    There's only so many hotels.

    What do you suggest we do? Build houses for migrants? We're not going to leave the native homeless behind are we? We're not going to fix Nigeria's problems before fixing our own are we? So we need houses for the homeless, and houses for asylum seekers, more schools and hospitals, greater social welfare burden, just to balance out with Europe's per capita rate? Maybe these asylum seekers are so desperate to come here precisely because there's too many in other European countries, it's become too expensive for France to accommodate them. Why should we relieve their problems? They should secure their borders. That's on them, not us.

    We have a lot of migrants in this country. That itself is not a bad thing. But we can't just have an open door policy like you seem to support. And frankly I find it hard to believe we don't have as many migrants as other European countries. Maybe over a ten-year time span we're behind, idk, but over 50 years we're not. We have a thriving migrant community in the UK, especially when we count second generation migrants onwards. Why should we continue to allow migrants to come in undocumented? No country should allow such a thing, except when people are fleeing a clear and obvious danger, like war or a natural disaster. That isn't what's happening. Well, people are fleeing war torn shitholes, but France isn't, and presumably neither are the several countries they travelled through before reaching France.

    We have to have some kind of deterrent, otherwise they keep doing it, criminals continue to profit by putting desperate people in serious danger. You don't seem to think about the incentive we provide to people traffickers if we escort their victims to the shore. You're too wrapped up in your anti-Tory anti-right hatred.

    I think the problem left leaning people have is their inability to take emotion out of the debate. It comes from a place of not wanting to be a cold bastard. I get it. But some things are so grave that they need to be treated coldly. No solution is perfect. Whatever you do, it's bad. These are close to war-like decisions. You escort them in, more attempt the crossing, more die because it's dangerous. People die whatever action you take. And people will call you a killer for it. This is just about the only sympathy I have for politicians... when they have to make genuinely difficult decisions and bear that weight.
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  20. #1820
    Cruela hoping to give immunity to border force personnel who contribute to death of refugees. #MEGA

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...refugee-deaths
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  21. #1821
    Take that, Finnish Eurolibtards! No more British products for you!

    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...oducts-295670/
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  22. #1822
    Our best and brightest. #MEGA

    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
  23. #1823
    So much for replacing those xmas turkeys with wallabies.

    https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/sta...90251455688704
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry
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    Good question. £30/hour is a pretty good wage.

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1450153213034905610
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Take that, Finnish Eurolibtards! No more British products for you!

    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...oducts-295670/
    Aww. I'm sure there's been some Tesco products I've bought, but can't say there's anything I'll miss. Tbf I'm not more excited about Carrefour either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Take that, Finnish Eurolibtards! No more British products for you!

    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...oducts-295670/
    Aww. I'm sure there's been some Tesco products I've bought, but can't say there's anything I'll miss. Tbf I'm not more excited about Carrefour either.
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    The important thing is we've exercised our sovereign right not to sell things to you.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Trump until we have all the facts through an inquiry

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