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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    You're exaggerating. There were only two explanations for firing Comey. And they are not mutually exclusive. Just because Trump had two good reasons for firing Comey, doesn't mean that his story is inconsistent.
    if anything, I'm under-xagerating.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-...reasons-2017-5

    That was just in the first week. Now we have the latest offering, and we're supposed to buy that. Ok, assuming that Comey was corrupt and that was the reason all along, why have all these conflicting stories about why he was fired?

    At best, it suggests a WH that isn't even on the same page from the top down about even the most basic information; at worst it stinks of a deliberate spreading of misinformation.
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    if anything, I'm under-xagerating.
    Nope. The bulleted list at the top lists 3 reasons, and the first two are the same. Trump lost confidence in Comey. Rosenstein echoed those sentiments. That's two reasons. And they do not have to be mutually exclusive.

    That was just in the first week. Now we have the latest offering, and we're supposed to buy that
    What latest offering? I speculated a plausible explanation as to why Trump lost confidence in Comey. That's not a new story, it's my own speculation about further details regarding the existing story.

    Ok, assuming that Comey was corrupt and that was the reason all along, why have all these conflicting stories about why he was fired?
    The stories do not conflict. Trump lost confidence in Comey. Why is it unfathomable to you that he is the only one who had that opinion? Maybe Comey was just shitty, and lots of people lost confidence in him. That would be a CONSISTENT story. Not a conflicting one.

    At best, it suggests a WH that isn't even on the same page from the top down about even the most basic information; at worst it stinks of a deliberate spreading of misinformation.
    What misinformation? Explain how both explanations for Comey's firing can't be simultaneously true.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    ...
    There are all kinds of reasons given in that article - recommendation from DoJ, poor handling of Hillary's email investigation, Russia investigation was a witch hunt, etc., that all changed depending on whether you were talking to Trump, Spicer, Rosenstein, or Sessions, and when.

    First it was Rosenstein's idea, then Trump's, then Trump's idea and Rosenstein and Sessions confirmed it. The only way those stories don't conflict is that they're all excuses to fire someone. Then Trump says in a letter to Comey "I'm doing this on the basis of their recommendation." and three days later tells Lester Holt it was all his idea and he was going to fire him all along. I mean the guy can't even keep his own story straight. No wonder he goes through so many press secretaries. They're all hurting their brain trying to explain all of his contradictory statements.

    You can argue all of those reasons are true (and on top of it zomgFISA), and they just fucked up in how they presented it, but it doesn't matter. Comey was investigating Trump over Russia and Trump fired him. Can you at least acknowledge how bad that looks, and why it makes people suspicious of all these other explanations for the whys and hows? And then add to that the fact he tried to fire Mueller too?
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    There are all kinds of reasons given in that article
    No, just two.

    recommendation from DoJ
    Reason 1

    , poor handling of Hillary's email investigation, Russia investigation was a witch hunt,
    Those are both supporting arguments for Reason #2: Trump lost confidence in Comey. That's a reason that demands supporting arguments. If you perceive those supporting arguments as "conflicting" accounts of events, then you're being stubborn, or stupid. Which is it Poop?

    etc., that all changed depending on whether you were talking to Trump, Spicer, Rosenstein, or Sessions, and when.
    No it didn't. Everyone except Trump himself towed the line on Reason #1

    First it was Rosenstein's idea, then Trump's, then Trump's idea and Rosenstein and Sessions confirmed it. The only way those stories don't conflict is that they're all excuses to fire someone.
    Those stories absolutely do not conflict.

    Then Trump says in a letter to Comey "I'm doing this on the basis of their recommendation." and three days later tells Lester Holt it was all his idea and he was going to fire him all along.
    What's hard to understand? The Rosenstein memo gave Trump the official cover he needed to do what he wanted to do anyway. Trump bragging to Lester holt that he was smart enough to recognize Comey's incompetence without Rosensteins input doesn't conflict with any accounts of events, nor is it indicative of the slightest wrongdoing.

    I mean the guy can't even keep his own story straight. No wonder he goes through so many press secretaries. They're all hurting their brain trying to explain all of his contradictory statements.
    The do not contradict. Trump and Rosenstein agreeing with each other is not indicative of a conspiracy. You're delusional.

    You can argue all of those reasons are true (and on top of it zomgFISA), and they just fucked up in how they presented it, but it doesn't matter.
    Apparently it matters very much to you, because it's a pillar of your assessment that Trump is corrupt.

    Comey was investigating Trump over Russia and Trump fired him. Can you at least acknowledge how bad that looks, and why it makes people suspicious of all these other explanations for the whys and hows?
    It only looks bad if you're willing to entertain wild theories of collusion without evidence. It only looks bad if you believe that Trump is dumb enough to believe that firing Comey would stop the Russia investigation. A guilty Trump firing Comey to stifle the Russia investigation simply doesn't hold water. There's no way Trump is that dumb. There's no way that someone wouldn't have explained it to him even if he was that dumb.

    Can you at least acknowledge that if Trump was guilty, he would do everything he could to avoid appearing so? Can you at least acknowledge that if Trump is actually innocent, then he must conclude that Comey's investigation is politically motivated, and therefore Comey can not be trusted? Can you at least acknowledge that in that circumstance, Comey has to go regardless of the optics??

    And then add to that the fact he tried to fire Mueller too?
    But he ultimately didn't. Trump has done a lot of stuff that looked like political suicide, but somehow worked in his favor. I cringed when he claimed he wanted to ban all muslim immigration. Hard to not call that racist. But when taken in complete context, you could see that he wasn't expressing his views, he was merely opening negotiations.

    Trump cited some legitimate, and some not so legitimate conflicts that Meuller might have. The most compelling is that Meuller was denied the FBI job after Comey was fired. That's not just being turned down for a job. That's a man being denied the opportunity to reach the pinnacle of his life's work. It's not unfathomable that he might have an axe to grind.

    Sure, it would have looked bad. But Trump has recovered easily from worse. So it's not nearly as stupid as you're making it sound. He says incendiary things and the media hates him. Despite that he won an election and logged a very successful first year. The guy has shown to be practically invincible. If he really didn't trust Mueller to not go witch-hunting, why wouldn't Trump think he could replace him.
    Last edited by BananaStand; 01-28-2018 at 06:18 PM.
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Sure, it would have looked bad.
    Glad we agree on something.

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