*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[Poopadoop]

Oh well, if you're going to laugh at me that totally wins the argument. Reductio ad mockum.

If you actually have cogent arguments for why he couldn't have faked it, what are they? Saying "too many moving parts" is very vague. How many moving parts do you think there would have to have been? Trump, some high-up in the SS, and the patsy. That's three. Who else do you think would have had to be involved?

Explain the giant black hole in the SS protection that just happened to occur on the one day a "lone nut" decides to off the Orange Jesus. Are they just having a "bad day" like they did in Dealey Plaza? Explain how Trump gets shot in the ear, bleeds like a stuck pig, then two weeks later his ear is perfectly normal. He obviously didn't cut his ear because there's no wound there. And I already said Trump didn't have to know about real people getting killed, or if he did, it's plausible that he cares more about saving his own fat ass than a few NPCs in PA.

You can't explain any of these things which is why you resort to being all "harhar tinfoil hat, oh you so dumb I so smart, I know what really happened and you don't," instead of offering up anything that could remotely be construed as evidence.

[oskar]

You can't explain any of these things which is why you resort to being all "harhar tinfoil hat, oh you so dumb I so smart, I know what really happened and you don't," instead of offering up anything that could remotely be construed as evidence.

I specifically recall asking you not to be upset.

What's the reason and evidence that the SS was having a bad day? Simple question.

They're just guys. They've done hundreds of Trump rallies, and all but one were boring as shit. They decided the roof was far (and hot) enough to be outside their perimeter, and it was good enough if the cops handled that. The cops said: This roof is hot as fuck, I'm not going up there... and then this happened. You have one possibility with all those intricate cogs moving to stage an assassination attempt including human sacrifice to make it believable, and the other possibility is cops being lazy/incompetent or whatever, and you're obsessing with the conspiracy theory...

I'm almost positive Epstein didn't kill himself, but I'm spending zero energy engaging with that because, what's even the point? There's nothing to go on. And you have nothing to go on here either.

What do you mean: why isn't the ear bleeding two weeks later? Do you have a human body? When do you ever cut yourself and bleed for two weeks. It was a tiny cut, possibly from shrapnel, it healed, end of story.

[Poopadoop]

I specifically recall asking you not to be upset.

I'm more amused than anything.

They're just guys.

They're not just guys, they're the Secret Service.

And yes I get it, on the inside they're still human and capable of making mistakes, even big mistakes. But not a bunch of them at the same time.

They've got a command center set up somewhere around there that oversees the whole thing; they're in touch with everyone there. I don't know how many people are in it (and they're obviously not going to tell us), but I'm guessing it's more than a couple of guys and a coffeemaker.

I also don't know how many messages they get during the day that could make them take pause. But, someone sends them a text saying 'look, there's this weirdo walking around with a rangefinder,' and the people in command of security all just go, 'oh that's nice,'. Then a half hour later another text comes in and says 'you know weirdo range-finder guy? Now he's wandering around looking at buildings.' And again they all go 'nothing unusual about that, he's probably just thinking of buying one of those warehouses someday. Ignore him. Send out Agent Orange. It's hot, let's get this shit over with.'

They've done hundreds of Trump rallies, and all but one were boring as shit.

You know most security is boring right? It's not like they're picking off potential assassins left and right at most of these rallies.

They decided the roof was far (and hot) enough to be outside their perimeter, and it was good enough if the cops handled that. The cops said: This roof is hot as fuck, I'm not going up there...

Please, use your head for just a minute. The SS don't just say to the local hillbilly cops "you're in charge of everything > 149m away from the stage,' and hope the local cops do a proper job of it unsupervised. They give them explicit instructions on where to have people ahead of time, get there a couple of hours in advance and make sure they're following those instructions, and if they're not, they don't let the client out in the open.

Also, if you're one of these hillbilly cops you don't get to say "i'm not going up there, it's hot out," and if you do you should be instantly fired. And if you're the guy in the command center and someone says 'where's the guy on building 7 (or whatever)' you don't just go 'ah well I guess it was too hot for him.

And even if that goes unnoticed, you don't have to be physically on the roof to cover it with a rifle. They can see the whole roof from the 2nd story building next door where they have snipers stationed. But yet, Crooks gets up there, crawls around for who-knows-how-long with all the yokels yelling 'he's on the roof! he's got a gun!' and nothing happens until he lets off eight rounds at Agent Orange. Come on.

You have one possibility with all those intricate cogs moving to stage an assassination attempt

Why do you need all these intricate cogs? You need one person in charge of security deliberately letting him slip through.

including human sacrifice

Right, because if there's one thing psychopaths in power care about it's the lives of innocent people.

I'm almost positive Epstein didn't kill himself,

Now who's the conspiracy nut?

but I'm spending zero energy engaging with that because, what's even the point?

If there's no point engaging in things you don't have the answers to, then why do you keep posting about this?

And you have nothing to go on here either.

I have questions that aren't being satisfactorily answered. I also know this kind of thing has happened in the past.

Do you have a human body?

Most days.

When do you ever cut yourself and bleed for two weeks. It was a tiny cut, possibly from shrapnel, it healed, end of story.

If it was a tiny cut that is invisible two weeks later, why did it bleed so much? Is Trump a hemophiliac? God, I hope he never nicks himself shaving, he'll need an emergency transfusion.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Please, use your head for just a minute.

Right, because if there's one thing psychopaths in power care about it's the lives of innocent people.

Now who's the conspiracy nut?

If there's no point engaging in things you don't have the answers to, then why do you keep posting about this?

4 examples of a lack of respect


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and oskar... please don't take his bait.

"Do you have a human body?"
is right there in tone.

[Poopadoop]

4 examples of a lack of respect


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and oskar... please don't take his bait.

"Do you have a human body?"
is right there in tone.

So when I make a joke it's completely rude and disrespectful, but when someone else does it's the proper tone. Rigggggghtt.

[MadMojoMonkey]

The onus is on you to convince us of your theory - a theory you claimed is unlikely, mind.

How many cogent arguments do you want? There have been a few.
Comments have been made that throw shade on your theory and you ignore them. That doesn't make them go away.

There's no way I'm buying the idea that the security was that bad that day by accident.

If you exclude reason and evidence from your understanding, that's fine, but it's not convincing anyone else, here.

[Poopadoop]

The onus is on you to convince us of your theory - a theory you claimed is unlikely, mind.

I'm not trying to necessarily convince you, I'm just asking questions and putting forward possible alternatives to the establishment line. I must admit the fact none of you can answer the questions I'm asking adequately but instead get annoyed at the idea of them being asked is a bit humorous though.

How many cogent arguments do you want? There have been a few.

The main argument seems to be that the SS was having a bad day that day and that's why it happened. That's it. You think that's a plausible explanation, I don't. That's the difference.

Comments have been made that throw shade on your theory and you ignore them. That doesn't make them go away.

Most of these comments have involved taking what I say, twisting it into something silly, and then arguing "What I made up about your story is ridiculous, ergo what you actually did say is also ridiculous." Reductio ad mockum isn't a valid form or argument, sorry.

If you exclude reason and evidence from your understanding, that's fine, but it's not convincing anyone else, here.

What's the reason and evidence that the SS was having a bad day? Simple question.

Who's been interrogated from the SS and put up their hands and said "yes I was the top agent on the ground in Butler, I was in charge of seeing up the protection of Trump that day and I told my guys not to put a sniper on the rooftop. Had a fight with my wife a week earlier when we were planning the security arrangements, so I was off my game. Sorry, my bad. Then when we got there and Agent Smith said to me 'hey boss, don't you think we should have someone on that roof over there, you know the one with a clear line of sight to our client?' I said 'nah, fuck it, it's fine to leave that open.' "

Or, how about "yeah I misjudged the slope of that roof and so I told them to stay off it. My vision was blurry 'cause [insert excuse here]. Sorry, I'll be leaving now, I don't expect to receive my pension."

And I don't mean Cheatle. She wasn't there. I mean the person who was in charge of the show in PA that day. Why hasn't that person been subject to scrutiny? Why hasn't anyone been sacked or resigned, apart from Cheatle?

Unless you think Cheatle was actually overseeing the operation and making those decisions in real time there has to be other people you want to talk to.

Speaking of other people, why did Congress only quiz Cheatle and the FBI director and leave it at that? Why not quiz the people on the ground, the people who were actually there that day doing the security? Why do they all get a pass? None of them get fired? Huh?

[MadMojoMonkey]

I'm not trying to necessarily convince you, I'm just asking questions and putting forward possible alternatives to the establishment line. I must admit the fact none of you can answer the questions I'm asking adequately but instead get annoyed at the idea of them being asked is a bit humorous though.

Your questions are dumb, though. Ask more interesting questions.

The fact that we choose not to answer dumb questions doesn't mean we don't have answers. [insert reductio fallacy]

I'm not annoyed at your questions. I'm annoyed at your tone. I'm annoyed that your attitude is that your hypothesis is unlikely, but that our failure to entertain your unlikely hypothesis somehow makes it more credible or us less smart. I'm annoyed that you aren't treating everyone here engaging in conversation with you with respect and dignity and an assumption of wanting to share our thoughts and know each other better. But mostly I'm annoyed at your default gas-lighting answers to the rest of us agreeing with you that your hypothesis is unlikely.

In short, your argument isn't pissing me off, your lack of respectful demeanor is.

The main argument seems to be that the SS was having a bad day that day and that's why it happened. That's it. You think that's a plausible explanation, I don't. That's the difference.

OK, so if you understand the crux of it, then why the attitude?

Most of these comments have involved taking what I say, twisting it into something silly, and then arguing "What I made up about your story is ridiculous, ergo what you actually did say is also ridiculous." Reductio ad mockum isn't a valid form or argument, sorry.

You're being a bit of a jerk, and treating other people with disrespect.
You reap what you sow.

What's the reason and evidence that the SS was having a bad day? Simple question.

People sometimes have bad days.

Who's been interrogated from the SS and put up their hands and said "yes I was the top agent on the ground in Butler, I was in charge of seeing up the protection of Trump that day and I told my guys not to put a sniper on the rooftop. [...]

le rofl

If it's human error, whoever the human is stands to lose their job at the very least and may face credible threats to their life by some other crazy shooter who decides that agent's negligence was intentional.

What they should do if they think there's any hint that their personal negligence had anything to do with the shooting is hire the best goddamn lawyer they can afford because this isn't going to be a small time consequence if their hunch they were part of it is correct. That lawyer is certainly going to tell them to keep their damn mouth shut about this and especially so in any remotely public space or setting.

[Poopadoop]

People sometimes have bad days.

That's not evidence.

If it's human error, whoever the human is stands to lose their job at the very least and may face credible threats to their life by some other crazy shooter who decides that agent's negligence was intentional.

Ok forget putting their hands up and coming forward, why aren't they being questioned? There's someone in charge of the operation there and no-one is asking them questions.

[Poopadoop]

Seriously dude I don't know why you get this way. We're just having fun talking about shit and giving each other a hard time, and you act like we're using hate speech. Take it easy ffs.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Seriously dude I don't know why you get this way. We're just having fun talking about shit and giving each other a hard time, and you act like we're using hate speech. Take it easy ffs.

I get this way because I can handle you and ong trash talking each other because ong is a mod and has told me many times that he gives 0 fucks about your attitude. When the only people involved in the conversation are you 2, I turn a blind eye to it. When the conversation blooms to include other people, your tone no longer fits the vibe of courteous people sharing ideas. Which it never did, mind, but again, I ignore it when it's just you and ong.

That's my line and my frustration. I hope it helps clarify.


Furthermore, since it seems relevant - you grate my nerves almost constantly. There are occasional gems of posts from you that seem to actually show the ability you have to pull together disparate information and apply your personal expertise on them. I appreciate those posts and it reminds me that you have a lot to offer when you choose to.

I'd have banned you years ago and many times over the years if not for ong suggesting I just ignore you and let him handle it. Out of respect for him, I have done so. Indeed this conversation about Trump's attempted assassination went on for quite a while before I started pushing back at your tone. I understand if you feel like I sometimes just pick on you for no reason, but there are reasons, and lengthy conversations have gone on behind the scenes where you have an advocate in ong.

Since I've said this, I open your plain and unfiltered thoughts about me in response. I have promised ong and I'll promise you that I will never ban you from FTR, provided ong is still here as co-mod. Your in his hands as far as that goes. I say all this because I don't think it's fair to have a power dynamic between us and to take advantage of that by calling you out w/o your equal opportunity to clap back.

[Poopadoop]

Oskar's giving me the same amount of attitude I'm giving him. As far as I know, he's not taking it personally either. If he is, if he's actually sitting over there getting upset when I crack jokes at him, then he's a big boy, he can say so himself. The same is true of Ong. Guys, are you upset because I tease you?

Do you know why we can talk to each other this way and still get along, why no-one has taken their ball and gone home? Because we understand we don't mean anything personal by it, and because even if the other guy did, they're not the most important person in the world to us and it's not that big a deal whether they're perfectly well-behaved with us all the time.

You, on the other hand, seem to take things I say personally not just when they're directed at you, but when they're directed at people who aren't you. That's why I have a problem with you. If you want to take me personally yourself, then fine, I apologise if I've come across as rude or disrespectful. But if you're going to sit there and tell me I have to treat everyone else with the same kid gloves, when they don't even care themselves, I'm not prepared to do that just for your sake, sorry.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Oskar's giving me the same amount of attitude I'm giving him. As far as I know, he's not taking it personally either. If he is, if he's actually sitting over there getting upset when I crack jokes at him, then he's a big boy, he can say so himself. The same is true of Ong. Guys, are you upset because I tease you?

I called him out, too. You're both taking things too far.

Wise cracks can be delivered without personal comments. Wise cracks are good times. I like crackin' wise.
Just don't insult each other's intelligence or other personal traits and it's all good.

And no, it doesn't really matter if anyone is taking personal offense at the comments. If you want to make those comments to each other in private DM's, then by all means.

But if you're going to sit there and tell me I have to treat everyone else with the same kid gloves, when they don't even care themselves, I'm not prepared to do that just for your sake, sorry.

I'm asking you nicely to knock off the personal comments and passive-aggressive comments.

Please work with me to cultivate an environment where the jokes are funny and designed to elicit laughs, and not personal guilt, shame or other critical crap.

[oskar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJFmvXQp6F8

One of the dumbest people to ever serve in politics. After 8 years I'm still baffled. Previously unseen levels of stupidity. He's going in with the mission of trying to retain as many black voters as possible, and it turns into: "Kamala turned black" and "Illegals are taking black jobs"

"A black job is anybody that has a job."

[MadMojoMonkey]

I can't understand why repeatedly blaming the woman closest to him for the technical issues that seem to have delayed the show isn't a bad enough reason to not vote for the man. Even if they were her fault, which obv. she's the talent, not the crew, there's nothing but looking like a dick to call her out publicly. So at least he only did that a few times?

Trump was oafish in that.

While her question was combative, Trump is asking to take a job where other world leaders will be combative with him, and this is his chance to show the audience how professional he can be in that situation.

Instead, he acts like a petulant child and berates the woman repeatedly.

[oskar]

oafish

...always learning new words.

The contrast is incredible. Biden was so diminished, he made Trump look almost presidential, but in Harris/Waltz you have two very well spoken people who can get their message across and reveal Trump/Vance as the clown show that it is.

But back to the assassination conspiracy. I think poop has it backwards. I'm not saying that Biden called up some old friends to cash in a long overdue favor, but itsn't it interesting that Biden was all like "I'M STAYING IN THE RACE!" in the face of horrendous polling. Then there's a failed assassination attempt on Trump, and 20 minutes later Biden comes out with a statement "Actually, I thought about it and I'm longer staying in the race."

[MadMojoMonkey]

I confess that I did read a couple dictionaries front to back about 25 years ago.

Oafish is a good one. It deserves a comeback.



I have no sensible or reasonable explanation for how any shooter got so close to a former POTUS.

Sure. Biden tried to organize a political coup against Trump and when it almost worked, he was all, "Fuck it, I can't even assassinate someone, how can I be a good president?!?"

It's as ridiculous as everything else I've heard or thought up myself, so ... sure.

[OngBonga]

I feel like whoever is pulling those kind of strings has three options...

1) fake an assassination attempt so that Trump's popularity soars, forcing Biden to stand aside,
2) actually assassinate Trump, or
3) assassinate Biden with covid.

1 seems the most absurd by a mile.

[CoccoBill]

TDS amirite?

[oskar]

$tsla dropped 15% yesterday so Elon had Trump do an emergency - Whacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man - Tesler [SIC] infomercial on the White House Lawn yesterday, and today on market open $tsla immediately drops another 5%. This might be the funniest episode yet.
Everything's computer!

[MadMojoMonkey]

[oskar]

I really played myself booking a return flight from Costa Rica with a layover in Orlando, thinking I still have a valid ESTA, but looks like I booked the full Gitmo experience. Straight up travel warnings from GB and Germany. That is crazy!

[MadMojoMonkey]

Yeah. Legal Eagle is going at like 3x speed with his uploads lately.

The US Constitution and separation of powers are in the midst of a hostile takeover.

[oskar]

I don't think any nation has ever voted to unilaterally fuck themselves as hard as the US did since Brexit.

I believe Legal Eagle has always been political, but even some normie YT channels I follow are getting radicalized by the current climate, and I love to see it. I just really hope some Trump voters can put two and two together when... hopefully right about now, actually.

[CoccoBill]

Positive mindset: he's an idiot guided by project 2025 idiots.
Negative mindset: he's a Russian asset purposefully wrecking the world economy.

Haven't yet decided what the realist mindset is.

[oskar]

It's not crazy to think that maybe Mossad has some tapes on him. Not that we're ever going to find out after some big guy did a tremendous job on Epstein. One of the strangliest from the standpoint of prison murder.

Who knows what is up with Russia. It might actually just be that Putin knows how to stroke Trump's ego. It all just seems completely random. I've always thought he was a moron, and he's just going to do moronic things. In his first term he might have had some sense that he was in over his head and that he should let other people handle policy. This time around, he's taking the wheel.

We're closing in on -6% in a single day on the S&P500. RIP to 401k's. It was a good concept when the US economy wasn't in the hands of a total moron.

[CoccoBill]

I "hope" you're right, but alarmingly many of his decisions suddenly start to make sense if you assume he's firmly in Putin's pocket. There's been some tough talk against Russia recently (maybe to not make it too obvious), but it's probably not a coincidence the only countries not slapped with massive tariffs are Russia, North Korea, Belarus and some other similarly minded buttfuckistans. Russia would love nothing more than the demise of the US, weakening of NATO and EU, a struggling western economy. Every single action he's made are furthering those goals. I'm genuinely wondering if there'll be actual fair midterms or elections coming up, and whether a civil war is the only way out of this.

[oskar]

The more I follow politics, the less I make sense of it. The conditions on Israel used to be: Must let aid in. Rafah is a red line. Don't summary execute UN aid workers point blank and throw them in a mass grave. Right now we're a month into a total aid blockade, Rafah is rubble, and finally, after a number of stories of aid workers found chained and executed in mass graves, finally we find one that's worth reporting on, and the Senate overwhelmingly votes down a resolution to stop arming the genocide. Including Cory Booker coming off of his inspiring 25h stunt. "We MUST fight inequality wherever we find it!" (*Some restrictions may apply)

Trump loves strongmen. The way North Korea really shit the bed was when they thought they could nationalize agriculture in a country not suited for agriculture, relying on factory workers who have never done agriculture.
Now Trump is like: that sounds fucking lit! Let's nationalize Avocado's, coffee and semiconductors. *Pulls giant lever*
That he can just do that is insane. During Biden it was all like: UwU, we can't do this or that because of separation of powers. No, turns out you can actually do whatever the fuck you want! Why is that news?

It's another year until midterms. Is calling elections early a thing? This would be how Europe would handle this. The UK burnt through four prime ministers in two years. Say what you want about Boris Johnson, but at least he's not charging the House of Commons with a pack of scallywags.

[MadMojoMonkey]

The US is crumbling. Too much damage has been done. It's only a matter of time, now.
Too many support pillars have been utterly removed. Tens of thousands of federal employees have been fired. Regulators are gone.
It's only a matter of time before products become toxic, services aren't denied, they're absent... people are going to die over this.

Everything that can be made can be remade, but ... this is going to take years to show all the consequences and decades to fix them.


I'm not qualified to say any of this, but ... how can it be otherwise..?

[oskar]

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[oskar]

Is Jeffrey Epstein the most wronged man ever? No clients. No Mossad blackmail operation. Built a giant massage trafficking ring just for the love of the game. Dershowitz's underwear never came off! Killed himself because he was very sad, and his best friend says he never even was a fan.

[MadMojoMonkey]

The absolute worst is that sitting Dems aren't even pushing back against any of this. If a Dem president did 1/10 of what Trump is doing, the sitting Reps would be up in arms bitching about it to every news agent in the land.

Dems just sit there rubbing their hands waiting for their turn like it will come.
Spoiler: it wont.

[oskar]

The absolute worst is that sitting Dems aren't even pushing back against any of this.

https://www.jns.org/barak-olmert-app...epstein-files/
It is a real head-scratcher.

I'm just going to be stupidly optimistic after Mamdani's NYC primary victory. That is a huge upset. The NYT and BBC get a lot of flak for their reporting on Israel/Palestine, and rightfully so, but it is unmeasurably better than what German media is presenting. The Hasbara operation coming out of our state media is astonishing. As if they're a mouthpiece, not for Israel, but for the most extremist members of the Knesset. Literally the only reporting someone who reads our Independent news gets from that region is if a Hamas member gets killed, or Israel gets attacked.
US and UK media are doing a much better job, and it shows in the polls.
A person running for political office openly saying what Mamdami is saying would have absolutely no chance of winning any election in Germany or Austria, or the US just a couple of years ago. This is a massive shift. Housing is such an easy issue for the left to jump on. Erasing billionaires should not be a tough one to argue either.

[MadMojoMonkey]

What Epstein files? According to our Attorney General, they don't exist.
Nevermind the entire Trump family and their cohorts campaigning on their exposure for years.
Nevermind the AG herself saying those files were on her desk a few weeks ago.

Just enjoy the lovely view of our world glowing beneath these delightful gaslights.

[oskar]

https://youtu.be/utDoE_DT1XA

I do not recommend anyone watch this, but I think it's interesting because it goes to the core of what is wrong with political discourse on both sides. They get stuck on a theoretical argument whether or not you need to substantiate an argument. The conservative guys position is that you can arrive at a correct conclusion through a flawed method, but as long as the conclusion is true you're still correct. Something like if you ask someone what 2x2 is and they say it's 4 because 2+2 is 4. Conservative guy thinks the guy saying it's 4 is correct because he got the answer right. So basically no matter how someone arrives at a conclusion that fits his world view, that someone is correct because he "knows" that he's correct.

Seems to be the same kind of thinking that spawned the 'republican party against critical thinking' portion of their 2012 platform from the wapo article I posted.

[OngBonga]

When you and MMM are ready to behave like adults,

I'm never going to behave like an adult. I don't care if you grow up or not.

[OngBonga]

And I'm not going to unban banana, that's for mojo. Again, I don't care if he does or doesn't.

[OngBonga]

And I like shitposting, hence me making four posts when I could make one.