*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[wufwugy]

lul

Pay attention.

[OngBonga]

Good stuff. So if he succeeds, next up on his list should be the denuclearisation of the world, starting with India and Pakistan. Why trust Pakistan and not NK? I'm uncomfortable with both being nuclear armed.

[oskar]

No, YOU pay attention.

[Poopadoop]

No, YOU pay attention.

BOTH of you pay attention.

[OngBonga]

No, ME pay attention.

[wufwugy]

I'm about 50% on the theory that the US military caused the nuclear site cave "earthquake" in NK in October using Rods from God. And that it killed tons of the top level NK officials.

About 85% on the US military blowing up NK missiles using viruses.

[wufwugy]

Denuclearization ahead

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...42173030879233

[wufwugy]

I'm looking forward to when this happens.

[wufwugy]

lol

even though i lol, because that's fucking ridiculous, i think you're might be right.

[wufwugy]

RIP the UK

Make Uncle Nige' King now or get out while you still can.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018...ical-prisoner/

[wufwugy]

Trump's emo now. I can't fucking stop laughing.

[OngBonga]

I don't think they're being held illegally. They're foreigners, which means they only have the right to be in this country if they are deemed welcome. If I turned up in USA and the govt decided they don't want me there, then I'll get locked up and deported.

Of course, it's interesting that we'll be such cunts to an American and an Austrian in order to protect the feelings of immigrants.

And detaining people for no good reason is something we have form for. See Ecuadorian Embassy.

[OngBonga]

BBC -search - Cassandra Fairbanks
Last article - 5th Oct 2016

[OngBonga]

They're covering this up big time.

[Poopadoop]

And detaining people for no good reason is something we have form for. See Ecuadorian Embassy.

You know Assange works for Putin, right?

Do you want your government to stick up for you or for Russia?

[OngBonga]

Also, we're no better than Russia. We pretend to have this moral high ground when it comes to Russia, but it's all a crock of shit.

[OngBonga]

I want the UK govt to stick up for Britain's legitimate interests, not to detain people who are wanted by other nations for sharing their dirty secrets.

[wufwugy]

I don't think they're being held illegally. They're foreigners, which means they only have the right to be in this country if they are deemed welcome. If I turned up in USA and the govt decided they don't want me there, then I'll get locked up and deported.

Of course, it's interesting that we'll be such cunts to an American and an Austrian in order to protect the feelings of immigrants.

And detaining people for no good reason is something we have form for. See Ecuadorian Embassy.

It seems there isn't news yet on exactly why they were detained.

You can bet your sweet ass if Pettibone was a social justice barbarian, the red carpet would have been rolled out for her.

[OngBonga]

It seems there isn't news yet on exactly why they were detained.

You can bet your sweet ass if Pettibone was a social justice barbarian, the red carpet would have been rolled out for her.

They're in Vienna.

Martin & I were denied entry to the U.K. & held in a detention facility because 1.) I intended to interview “far right leader”, Tommy Robinson. 2.) Because Martin intended to give a speech at Speaker’s Corner which they alleged would “incite tensions between local communities”.

Tommy Robinson has made his way to Vienna to complete the interview. Thanks to the UK govt, this interview will get MUCH more coverage on social media.

[OngBonga]

google - Cassandra Fairbanks
tab - news

*nothing*

[OngBonga]

lol works for Putin. Had you argued Snowden works for him, I'd have nodded in agreement. But Assange? Not a chance.

[wufwugy]

I lold

[OngBonga]

Of course, Tommy, Brittany and Martin will all have a significant increase in their Twitter followers too.

Not only does this expose the fucked up nature of our immigration policy (let ISIS killers in, turn away western journalists), but it's counterproductive in that it gives them so much more publicity than they otherwise would've got.

I had no idea who these people were until recently, and I'd imagine a lot of people who know who they are had no idea who Tommy Robinson was until recently.

Bravo, dickheads. What a fucking embarrasment for the UK.

[wufwugy]

Of course, Tommy, Brittany and Martin will all have a significant increase in their Twitter followers too.

Not only does this expose the fucked up nature of our immigration policy (let ISIS killers in, turn away western journalists), but it's counterproductive in that it gives them so much more publicity than they otherwise would've got.

I had no idea who these people were until recently, and I'd imagine a lot of people who know who they are had no idea who Tommy Robinson was until recently.

Bravo, dickheads. What a fucking embarrasment for the UK.

I think you're right in that this sort of way authoritarians and propagandists go about shutting things down is counterproductive for their agenda. However, this effect probably doesn't manifest unless that way of shutting things down is used.

I say this because it's pretty common for people to say that trying to shut down opinions just makes those opinions more prominent. I don't agree with that. Those opinions do experience a boost often due to attempts to shut them down, but if compared to how those opinions would manifest if they weren't attempted to be shut down, I don't think there is comparison. If nobody was trying to shut down people like Robinson or Pettibone in the first place, I bet their opinions would be espoused by a remarkably higher number of people than the gain they get by the Streisand effect.

It's like how the media's unfair coverage of Trump got Trump some extra followers. Yeah, except if the media covered Trump fairly in the first place he'd have many multiples more followers than that.

[wufwugy]

If Pettibone was a leftist she might be the most famous one. Because the left would be screaming "we finally got a pretty one, peoplekind!"

[wufwugy]

Something has Kim seriously spooked. Reports that he wants to return US detainees and a peace treaty and U.S embassy in Pyongyang.

Can't say for sure why there is so much movement on his end, but it is most likely due to the economic collapse in NK after China finally started backing U.S. attempts to stop its oil.

[oskar]

Can't say for sure why there is so much movement on his end, but it is most likely due to the economic collapse in NK after China finally started backing U.S. attempts to stop its oil.

I like how you phrased that to remove china as much from the equation as possible.

I don't believe anything coming from Pyongyang until there is real action. I'd be extremely surprised if there will be. Peace treaty would be purely semantic and would come with ridiculous demands. De-nuclearization will not happen. If there's a way I could bet on that, I'd flip for rolls.

[BananaStand]

House Intel Committee CONCLUDES that there is no evidence whatsoever of collusion or conspiracy between the Trump Campaign and Russia. In a 150 page FINAL report of their investigation they totally exonerate everyone connected to Trump, and goes even further to debunk the claim that Putin favored Trump.

Done. Finished. Investigation over. Trump's innocent.

News Flash: Democrats still not convinced.

[Poopadoop]

House REPUBLICAN Intel Committee concludes...

Inserted that slightly relevant bit of information you conveniently omitted there. Don't start ordering your MAGA2020 hat just yet.

[BananaStand]

Inserted that slightly relevant bit of information you conveniently omitted there. Don't start ordering your MAGA2020 hat just yet.

There are democrats on the committee.

14 months, 73 witnesses, 300,000+ pages of documents. Do you have anything to suggest that the investigation is incomplete or incorrect....other than the fact it didn't conclude your preferred outcome??

[Poopadoop]

There are democrats on the committee.

14 months, 73 witnesses, 300,000+ pages of documents. Do you have anything to suggest that the investigation is incomplete or incorrect....other than the fact it didn't conclude your preferred outcome??

Do you have anything to indicate Mueller has reached the same conclusion as the House REPUBLICAN committee?

[BananaStand]

Do you have anything to indicate Mueller has reached the same conclusion as the House REPUBLICAN committee?

To Mueller's credit, he's run a tight ship. I mean, no one saw the 13 russian indictments a couple weeks ago. But it's not airtight and what has leaked all seems to suggest that Mueller's investigation has given up on charges of collusion. They're currently focused on charges of obstruction. Specifically, whether or not Trump obstructed justice when he A) fired comey and/or B) lied to CNN about Trump Jr's meeting.

Comey got fired for being terrible at his job, and I'm not sure how it's illegal to lie to CNN. So I'd say Trump walks away from this one unscathed.

[wufwugy]

Just as long as they keep the Mueller smokescreen on while Sessions quietly investigates Obama/Clinton/DNC crimes.

[BananaStand]

At this point, I will bet anything I own that Mueller finds some reason to at least impugn Trump. If a cop follows you for 500 miles, I don't care how good of a driver you are, that cop will find a reason to pull you over.

What I don't understand is why it's taking so long. The obvious reason is to hold the specter of Russia over the 2018 midterms. Democrat turnout will be through the roof if the prospect of impeachment is on the table.

Though, other than Mueller himself, I can't figure out who would be pulling those puppet strings. Who is responsible for dragging this out so long? If it is Mueller himself.....why?

[wufwugy]

At this point, I will bet anything I own that Mueller finds some reason to at least impugn Trump. If a cop follows you for 500 miles, I don't care how good of a driver you are, that cop will find a reason to pull you over.

What I don't understand is why it's taking so long. The obvious reason is to hold the specter of Russia over the 2018 midterms. Democrat turnout will be through the roof if the prospect of impeachment is on the table.

Though, other than Mueller himself, I can't figure out who would be pulling those puppet strings. Who is responsible for dragging this out so long? If it is Mueller himself.....why?

Distraction from the real investigation and legitimacy for Mueller that the Democrats can't deny when their heroes' crimes are uncovered.

[BananaStand]

Distraction from the real investigation and legitimacy for Mueller that the Democrats can't deny when their heroes' crimes are uncovered.

Which do you think Trump cares about more? Exposing Obama, or not getting impeached?

[wufwugy]

Which do you think Trump cares about more? Exposing Obama, or not getting impeached?

This isn't much of a dilemma to choose from since Trump has no reason to think he would be impeached.

And getting the government criminals is probably very high priority for Trump, if not #1.

[OngBonga]

Speaking of Russia, anyone following this nerve agent case in the UK?

The tl;dr of it is a former double agent and his daughter were found slumped on a bench in Salisbury, apparently poisoned. Naturally we've blamed Russia, since the dude is a Russian traitor in exile and they seem to have form for this kind of thing (see Alexander Litvinenko).

Now we've declared that the nerve agent used was Novichok, a Soviet-era agent, and demanded they give full disclosure of their programme by midnight tonight. We're saying it's either the Russian state, or they've lost control of their checmical weapon stockpiles.

What we're refusing to do is to allow Russia to have access to the agent we've allegedly found.

For the last week, I've been literally 50-50 on whether this is Russia, or the UK. Now I'm of the opinion this is our doing, not theirs, and it makes me question all the previous incidents. If we really believed they might have lost control of their stocks, we'd let representetives come to the UK and analyse the agent found. But we won't. Why? Because it wasn't Novichok.

The motive? Military budget, in particular Trident. Also, votes. It's important that the general public continue to see Russia as a direct threat.

[Poopadoop]

It's important that the general public continue to see Russia as a direct threat.

Better ways to do this than kill one of their ex-agents imo. All that shows is that they're a threat to Russian traitors.

[OngBonga]

Better ways to do this than kill one of their ex-agents imo. All that shows is that they're a threat to Russian traitors.

Not when it involes radioactive materials and nerve agents.
There's a cop who's seriously ill, around 500 people were told to wash belongings with detailed advice, the city of Salisbury is swarming with police and hazmat suited agents... the whole point is to make people think "whoa this is dangerous, we need to let them know this isn't acceptable".

When their traitors find themselves impaled on spikes after falling from windows, or hanging in their bedroom, then perhaps that's Russia. But when it involves issues of national security... there's more than one motive, and more than one potential perpetrator.

I very much doubt it's a thrid party trying to stir trouble. For that to be the case, Russia would need to be closely involved in the investigation, because it's their nerve agent, and we're not allowing them to analyse it. We know it's not a third party.

[Poopadoop]

Not when it involes radioactive materials and nerve agents.
There's a cop who's seriously ill, around 500 people were told to wash belongings with detailed advice, the city of Salisbury is swarming with police and hazmat suited agents... the whole point is to make people think "whoa this is dangerous, we need to let them know this isn't acceptable".

So the Litmitov (sp?) thing was a dry run? I don't remember any type of reaction like this to that incident.

Also, apart from the seriously ill cop who was directly exposed, is there any evidence any of those 500 people are getting sick? Maybe that's just part of the game to make it look much more of a threat than it was (in which case I guess it is a good way to scare people). Or maybe they're just being extra-cautious.

When their traitors find themselves impaled on spikes after falling from windows, or hanging in their bedroom, then perhaps that's Russia. But when it involves issues of national security... there's more than one motive, and more than one potential perpetrator.

You can theorize all you want about how Russia kills defectors, truth is we have no way of knowing who did it or why.

Maybe they used this poison specifically to send a message to defectors that they're not to be fucked with. Maybe the UK did to make it look like Russia did it. Maybe the Ukraine or another one of Russia's neighbors did it so we'd be more likely to support them against Russia.

I very much doubt it's a thrid party trying to stir trouble. For that to be the case, Russia would need to be closely involved in the investigation, because it's their nerve agent, and we're not allowing them to analyse it. We know it's not a third party.

Why would Russia need to be involved in the investigation if it was a third party? Say the UK doesn't know who it is, but suspects/blames Russia. Why let them be involved in the investigation? 'Hey come over here and check out this poison we think you used on our soil. Don't worry, we trust you.'

Blaming Russia and then letting them come in on the investigation would make no sense at all. It would be like asking the Mafia to help investigate a suspected mob hit.

[OngBonga]

Blaming Russia and then letting them come in on the investigation would make no sense at all. It would be like asking the Mafia to help investigate a suspected mob hit.

We're blaming them without proof. All we're claiming is it's a Russian nerve agent, so we should prove that to them if we want a serious response from them.

[OngBonga]

The Mafia are not a state.

[BananaStand]

Ong......Russia did it

[OngBonga]

They did? What evidence do you have? Motive? I just gave you a motive for why we'd do it.

[OngBonga]

What we're refusing to do is to allow Russia to have access to the agent we've allegedly found.

Why won't we let them analyse the substance?

[OngBonga]

I can tell you this... we're as trustworthy as Russia.

[OngBonga]

Earlier, asked whether Russia was to blame, President Vladimir Putin told the BBC: "Get to the bottom of things there, then we'll discuss this."

He's a lot more tactful than we are. I look forward to seeing what he has to say.

There have been plenty of Russians-in-exile dying in the UK. Often they have "committed suicide". There was a British scientist who was involved in the Litvinenko case who was found dead in his kitchen with multiple stab wounds, the British (not the Russians) called this a suicide. He knew too much.

If you trust the UK, you're too trusting.

[Poopadoop]

I'm happy to entertain any number of possible culprits.

It would be a good false flag for the UK to kill this guy in a spy novel kind of way and then say 'must be Russia, we don't do this kind of thing'.

Could also be some third party that wants to start a fight between UK and Russia.

All that said, my guess is it was probably Putin.

[OngBonga]

So the Litmitov (sp?) thing was a dry run? I don't remember any type of reaction like this to that incident.

Not at all. It too had the effect of maintaining Russia as a direct threat to national security in the eyes of the British public.

Also, apart from the seriously ill cop who was directly exposed, is there any evidence any of those 500 people are getting sick?

No, it's all theatre.

Maybe the Ukraine or another one of Russia's neighbors did it so we'd be more likely to support them against Russia.

The UK isn't seriously considering this as an option, because if they were, then they would refer the suspect nerve agent to Russian experts to prove it's their agent.

Why would Russia need to be involved in the investigation if it was a third party?

To demonstrate to the Russians that we take the idea of third party involvement seriously. They will want to know it's their agent so they can investigate themselves to see if the Ukranians, for example, could have done this.

[Poopadoop]

To demonstrate to the Russians that we take the idea of third party involvement seriously. They will want to know it's their agent so they can investigate themselves to see if the Ukranians, for example, could have done this.

But we already blamed them, so why get them involved. You're arguing as if we're actually interested in it possibly being a third party, when we're not.

Even if we were interested in assessing the possibility of third party involvement, why in the fuck would we ask an enemy state to come investigate a crime on our soil? It just doesn't happen.

[OngBonga]

The idea a third party did this is MUCH more serious, fwiw.

[Poopadoop]

Fact is we (officially) strongly suspect it was them. Even the 'lost control' theory suggests they're a danger because they're not keeping things out of the wrong hands.

And what if they come - they're just going to say 'nope not ours'. You don't imagine they would say 'oh shit we fucked up and forgot to lock the door where we keep this stuff, sorry world we're idiots'.

Expecting us to cooperate with Putin in an investigation is pushing it. We'd be just as likely to cooperate with Iran or N. Korea in some investigation.

[OngBonga]

You really can't see the problem here?

Basically we said to Russia "either you did it or you lost control of your nerve agent stockpiles".
Russia say "ok let's see the nerve agent".
We say "no".

We haven't actually blamed them directly, we've said it's either them or someone has their agent.

If we take the latter seriously, how can we expect Russia to get to the bottom of it if we won't prove to them it's their nerve agent? Do we expect an "enemy state" as you put it to take our word for it?

Cmon dude, they are clearly tapping into the distrust people have for Russia, and the blind trust people have for their own nation.

[wufwugy]

yall brits are dangerously close to wrongthink.

[OngBonga]

What's rightthink wuf?

[Poopadoop]

What's rightthink wuf?

Whatever agrees with his way of thinking.

[Poopadoop]

This week's castoff from Survivor WH is:

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/13/...ate-department

[wufwugy]

Whatever agrees with his way of thinking.

The term wrongthink is flipped from what you might think since it's satire and from the perspective of an authoritarian regime. Wrongthink is questioning things (which is bad for those in power when their power derives from indoctrination).

[wufwugy]

I have no opinion on Tillerson, but the fact that so many "experts" lacking skin in the game dislike him, I guess he is probably a swell guy who did a good job.

[Poopadoop]

I have no opinion on Tillerson, but the fact that so many "experts" lacking skin in the game dislike him, I guess he is probably a swell guy who did a good job.

Does giving a shit what happens in the world count as having skin in the game?

[wufwugy]

Does giving a shit what happens in the world count as having skin in the game?

Depends on if the person experiences downside risk of his opinions/actions within the specific domain in which his opinions/actions are intended.

[OngBonga]

I see.

One thing this will do... create more hooligan problems between England and Russia fans this summer. Irresponsible idiots, both Putin and May.

[BananaStand]

School kids across America are walking out of class today to protest.....well I don't know what exactly they are protesting against. Murder I guess?

While I obviously support anyone's right to exercise their first amendment freedom of assembly....I have to wonder what the fuck these kids are even learning in school if they think that their message is something viable within the public discourse. Even worse, it seems apparent to me that this "protest" is just a chess-move by the leftists who don't actually care about individual rights, nor do they care about shootings.

It's all a ploy to facilitate another incremental step towards the ultimate goal of banning all guns, period. And these poor kids don't even know what they're doing.

[BananaStand]

Holy fucking shit

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/14...gop-chair.html

[Poopadoop]

Interesting word of the use 'coercion' there; I might go with 'encouragement', but there doesn't seem to be any evidence students are being threatened if they don't take part.

[BananaStand]

there doesn't seem to be any evidence students are being threatened if they don't take part.

there doesn't seem to be any evidence that students even realize that is an option. Do you really think 4th graders have fleshed out opinions on this issue? Or are they just gonna do what the teachers do? That's alot closer to 'coercion' than 'encouragement'. Even if you dislike both of those terms, 'indoctrination' is completely apt.

[Poopadoop]

there doesn't seem to be any evidence that students even realize that is an option. Do you really think 4th graders have fleshed out opinions on this issue? Or are they just gonna do what the teachers do? That's alot closer to 'coercion' than 'encouragement'. Even if you dislike both of those terms, 'indoctrination' is completely apt.

Right, because teachers never share their views with students unless their radical left-wingers. There's no such thing as a teacher who preaches God in their first grade class, or one who talks about abortion, or one in Texas who tells their students that happiness is a warm gun. If you accept that teachers are gonna influence students, then you have to accept that sometimes they influence them in ways that don't agree with what you would want.

[BananaStand]

Right, because teachers never share their views with students unless their radical left-wingers. There's no such thing as a teacher who preaches God in their first grade class, or one who talks about abortion, or one in Texas who tells their students that happiness is a warm gun. If you accept that teachers are gonna influence students, then you have to accept that sometimes they influence them in ways that don't agree with what you would want.

there is a HUGE difference between a teacher's lectures being tainted with political bias (which happens all the time)

and a school 'coercing' students to participate in a demonstration in favor of one side of an issue that most of the students lack the capacity to understand.

[oskar]

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/14/u...gun/index.html

This is hilarious

[BananaStand]

whats not hilarious...is why its news

[Poopadoop]

Who was it that argued here that accidents with teachers having guns would outnumber lives saved by arming teachers?

[BananaStand]

Who was it that argued here that accidents with teachers having guns would outnumber lives saved by arming teachers?

Obviously someone pretty stupid

[Poopadoop]

Obviously someone pretty stupid

It wasn't someone who thinks 17.7% = 5.5% if that's what you meant.

[BananaStand]

It wasn't someone who thinks 17.7% = 5.5% if that's what you meant.

It was obviously someone stupid enough to think that it's possible to quantify how many lives are saved by teachers having guns.