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[CoccoBill]

The thoughts that drive mass-murder are anger at the world. Anger at "being" itself. It's a position of hopelessness that the thinker believes can only be remedied through the introduction of huge amounts of chaos.

That kind of thinking is completely incompatible with a desire to improve one's own life through improving their perceptions and interactions with the world.

Well it's great your clairvoyance extends to mass-murderers too. Unfortunately it isn't as black and white as in your world. There are a multitude of reasons and motivations behind them, but there's nothing to suggest that they're not detectable, preventable and treatable. They're not caused by physical deficiencies, traits or conditions. I'm not talking about medication, that's the aspect of psychiatry where I agree with you, diagnoses and prescriptions are handed out way too easily. Then again therapy, counseling and other preventive measures definitely have their place and should be used more.

[BananaStand]

Then again therapy, counseling and other preventive measures definitely have their place and should be used more.

These remedies can only be used on someone who doesn't want them through force. Using these methods through force has been proven ineffective.

what are you not getting?

[Poopadoop]

These remedies can only be used on someone who doesn't want them through force. Using these methods through force has been proven ineffective.

Again, making the assumption the person is born that way and never wanted help before they became a psychopath. Maybe had they received help in time, they wouldn't have ended up with the mindset that mass murder is a better option than seeking help.

[BananaStand]

Again, making the assumption the person is born that way and never wanted help before they became a psychopath. Maybe had they received help in time, they wouldn't have ended up with the mindset that mass murder is a better option than seeking help.

And you think the government stands a chance at accomplishing this???

[Poopadoop]

And you think the government stands a chance at accomplishing this???

I think they stand a better chance if they try than if they don't try, yes.

[Poopadoop]

I think a lot of what goes into not wanting help is the notion that 'no-one cares about me' or 'no-one is on my side', leading to the conclusion of 'fuck society, it won't help me'. I don't think these people go around thinking 'i'm fine with the idea of wanting to kill everyone'. it's more like 'i'm fucked in the head but no-one cares.'

So, if someone gets to them before they reach that point, and convinces them that someone does care and wants to help them, I think it could save a lot of heartache later on.

[BananaStand]

So, if someone gets to them before they reach that point, and convinces them that someone does care and wants to help them, I think it could save a lot of heartache later on.

That's so sweet. I think I'm getting a cavity.

How would you suggest we make that into policy without being invasive or violating rights, and also having the policy be measurably effective?

[BananaStand]

I think they stand a better chance if they try than if they don't try, yes.

Fine. What exactly could be done that's not already being done? How do you identify who needs help? How do you identify who needs enough help that it will stop a shooting? How do you measure success? How do you keep this program(s) from being abused? How do you protect people's rights?

I posted a link a couple weeks ago of a NY Times opinion piece written by an accomplished psychologist who ADMITTED that she had no reason to incarcerate (not the clinical term I know, but it's apt) a person but did so anyway merely because she wanted to avoid any potential fault if she was wrong. AND she also admitted that she would be personally gratified if this innocent person were not allowed to buy a gun.

Funny enough, that injustice wasn't the point of her paper. It was just an innocuous detail that doesn't seem to be getting much play in the liberal media.

What you're advocating is a slippery slope, and not even a very long one, toward government oppression.

[CoccoBill]

These remedies can only be used on someone who doesn't want them through force. Using these methods through force has been proven ineffective.

what are you not getting?

Your lack of understanding. Do you think mass-murderers are born that way, that all we can do about them is shoot first?