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[OngBonga]

We and our allies are together about 3x as strong as Russia I reckon. If you include the US in that equation it's more like 10x as strong. So no, I'm not worried about Russia kicking our ass in WW III.

We are a member of NATO, therefore USA are absolutely our allies when it comes to a non-NATO country. Furthermore, we're one of the few who pay our way, which wins Trump's favour. No question he sees us as an ally. Whether he trusts May is a completely different matter.

I'm sick of this anti-Russia bollocks. Sure, the leaders of Russia are nasty people. So are ours. Out of May, Putin and Trump, I trust Trump the most. That really is saying something.

[Poopadoop]

We are a member of NATO, therefore USA are absolutely our allies when it comes to a non-NATO country.

As long as Trump is president, I would not be confident of US support. He just fired his Secretary of State the day after he took an anti-Russia line.

'm sick of this anti-Russia bollocks. Sure, the leaders of Russia are nasty people. So are ours. Out of May, Putin and Trump, I trust Trump the most. That really is saying something.

I consider nearly all politicians reprehensible by default. Whether one is a bit more or less reprehensible than the next doesn't keep me up at night. But if it came down to our scumbag leaders against Russia's scumbag leaders, well I'm not going to side up against my own country because I think our scumbag leaders are scumbags.

[OngBonga]

But if it came down to our scumbag leaders against Russia's scumbag leaders...

Why does it come down to that? It doesn't. I couldn't give a fuck about Putin, he's not my "leader". Boris and Terry, them fuckers are. I expect the people who assume the position of "leaders" of the UK to subscribe to a sense of morality that we should be proud to export, not this hypocritical geopolitical theatrical bullshit that is designed purely to make stupid people feel scared of Russia.

Am I scared of Russia? No, we're in NATO. Am I glad we're in NATO? No, I'd like us to leave, and lobby for a defence alliance than includes USA, Russia and China. Won't happen though. Why not? Why isn't that in everyone's mutual interests?

[Poopadoop]

Why does it come down to that? It doesn't. I couldn't give a fuck about Putin, he's not my "leader". Boris and Terry, them fuckers are. I expect the people who assume the position of "leaders" of the UK to subscribe to a sense of morality that we should be proud to export, not this hypocritical geopolitical theatrical bullshit that is designed purely to make stupid people feel scared of Russia.

You are asking a leopard to be a tiger. It ain't gonna happen because that is the nature of politics.

Am I glad we're in NATO? No, I'd like us to leave, and lobby for a defence alliance than includes USA, Russia and China. Won't happen though. Why not? Why isn't that in everyone's mutual interests?

Well first, it's hard to align with non-democratic countries on any popular basis. We can't just start going all Molotov-Ribbentrop left and right and expect the public to understand.

Second, what is so terrible about NATO? It started as a ways to keep Russia in check. Russia is still aggressive and still needs a deterrent to keep them from waltzing all over their neighbors. They are not going to stop unless there is some threat, a united front against them.

[OngBonga]

Second, what is so terrible about NATO? It started as a ways to keep Russia in check.

You just answered your own question.

Russia is still aggressive and still needs a deterrent to keep them from waltzing all over their neighbors. They are not going to stop unless there is some threat, a united front against them.

We're more aggressive than they are. They have interests in places where the majority of people speak Russian. Who are we to judge the morality of that? Maybe these people want to be in Russia, who knows if they get a fair referendum to make their own minds up? If most people speak Russian, it doesn't surprise me they vote to be Russian.

Where are our interests?

It's the West who need keeping in check, not Russia.

The point about NATO being an alliance to counter Russia... that's the very point of it, so its continued existence relies on the constant threat Russia poses.

NATO is creating the problem it claims to solve.