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[oskar]

And why should that not be changed for people with severe mental disorders or people who have made terroristic threats? The TSC can put people on no-fly lists for way less. That's arguably a bigger encroachment on a persons freedom than their right to purchase a firearm.

[BananaStand]

And why should that not be changed for people with severe mental disorders or people who have made terroristic threats? The TSC can put people on no-fly lists for way less. That's arguably a bigger encroachment on a persons freedom than their right to purchase a firearm.

The bolded is objectively wrong.

The right to bear arms is codified into law. The privilege of flying isn't.

[OngBonga]

Which mental disorders...specifically?

Let's throw paranoid schitzophrenia out there for one. You happy for someone who might think your kid is a gook soldier to carry a weapon around in public?

[BananaStand]

Let's throw paranoid schitzophrenia out there for one.

Ok, that's one. It affects 1.1% of the population. Another 68.9% of the population has another disorder diagnosable under the DSM-V.

Which ones should preclude gun ownership, and which ones are ok?

[OngBonga]

Ok, that's one. It affects 1.1% of the population. Another 68.9% of the population has another disorder diagnosable under the DSM-V.

Which ones should preclude gun ownership, and which ones are ok?

Any other mental illness that has a documented risk of the affected person acting in an uncontrollably violent manner. I don't think I'm casting a wide net here, I'm expecting to trim off 5% maybe.

[OngBonga]

So let's say you leave your facebook logged in and fall asleep. Then your ass-hole kid brother comes in and plays a prank by posting something on your feed that could be construed as violent or terroristic? You can't ever buy a gun again?

It's not outrageous that it should be looked into. If it was just a prank, well they won't be google history researching school shootings, for example. A nutjob doesn't just make one shitpost and then go into hiding, he leaves a trail. A shitpost saying "Ima kill kids" might just be enough to have a look into, just to see if it's a habit.

[Poopadoop]

The privilege of flying isn't.

Isn't one of your amendments about the right to go about your business unimpeded?

[BananaStand]

Isn't one of your amendments about the right to go about your business unimpeded?

No

[MadMojoMonkey]

Isn't one of your amendments about the right to go about your business unimpeded?

No. Nothing like freedom of travel or freedom of movement is directly stated in the constitution, AFAIK.
Illegal detention is definitely a thing, as well as unlawful arrest, not to mention kidnapping.
Actually, there simply must be legal precedent.

[Poopadoop]

No. Nothing like freedom of travel or freedom of movement is directly stated in the constitution, AFAIK.
Illegal detention is definitely a thing, as well as unlawful arrest, not to mention kidnapping.
Actually, there simply must be legal precedent.

But the cops can't just pull you over 'cause they're bored, cause that is against the constitution (as I understand it). How is forbidding you to travel on a plane any different?

[BananaStand]

And why should that not be changed for people with severe mental disorders

Which mental disorders...specifically?

or people who have made terroristic threats?

So let's say you leave your facebook logged in and fall asleep. Then your ass-hole kid brother comes in and plays a prank by posting something on your feed that could be construed as violent or terroristic? You can't ever buy a gun again?

Or let's say MadMojoMonkey finally cracks under the pressure and frustration of his irrelevance here and decides to post "I wish I could shoot you in the face Banana!". He doesn't really want to shoot me in the face. It's just an expression of rage that came out in a forum where he is ostensibly anonymous. Are we really saying that's a legit, credible threat that should undermine a person's constitutional rights?

Your ideas aren't very fleshed out, and every time we try to dig into the details, we devolve very quickly into invasive oppression of people's rights.

Proactive psychological testing??

WHAT????????

The rights of people to bear arms "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". That's the law. Those exact words. But you're advocating a policy where no one has the right to bear arms unless you submit to a government evaluation. And then only people with the "correct" personality can have rights. Everyone else is fucked.

[oskar]

Which mental disorders...specifically?

There's a strict list of criteria that needs to be met for someone to lose autonomy. When you're forcibly admitted to an institution or for someone to gain guardianship of an adult family member. Those are a good start.

[BananaStand]

When you're forcibly admitted to an institution

It's already been demonstrated that process is broken in a way that is very much corrupt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/o...-shooters.html

[oskar]

It's already been demonstrated that process is broken in a way that is very much corrupt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/o...-shooters.html

How does this article support your position?

[BananaStand]

How does this article support your position?

Follow me now...

She says....

It was clear to me that he did not have a psychiatric illness that would justify involuntary hospitalization

She says it was CLEAR. Then she says....

I ended up admitting this patient

and the patient was held against his will for two days. Why? Great question. The author gives two answers.

the first...

the order to release the man who might be the next mass shooter would not be signed with my pen

Does that strike you as medically informed opinion? Or corrupt selfishness?

her second reason...

the one concrete benefit of officially committing him would be that he could be prohibited from buying a gun from any federally licensed retailer.

Can someone explain to me how it's a "benefit" to prevent a man from buying a gun when he's committed no crime and for whom there is no medical justification for him to be forcefully institutionalized.