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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    you talk about spin!! Jeeeezus man. The government ran rampant over the healthcare system, put MASSIVE costs providers and companies.
    I see you've never heard about lobbyists. The government just did all that shit on its own, according to you. This is probably beneath your high IQ.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    They 10's of billions of dollars in consumer costs. Now they say "oh, hey, if you give us a do-over, it will cost slightly less"
    Not 10's of billions. 2000 billions to be exact. Which is what proponents of healthcare reform in the US have been saying all along. Universal healthcare will save money. Now the rightest wing of all right wing organizations did a study to prove them all wrong, yet came to the exact same conclusion.

    It's not the government that said this, High IQ Banana. It's the Koch Bros' Mercatus Institute that did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    I see you've never heard about lobbyists. The government just did all that shit on its own, according to you. This is probably beneath your high IQ..
    The government did all that by deceiving the people. Said it's not a tax. Then beat court challenges by citing it's ability to levy taxes.

    Was that all the lobbyists idea?

    Not 10's of billions. 2000 billions to be exact.
    I meant to say trillions. OP edited

    Which is what proponents of healthcare reform in the US have been saying all along. Universal healthcare will save money
    For whom? At what cost? Where's that money going now?

    Now the rightest wing of all right wing organizations did a study to prove them all wrong, yet came to the exact same conclusion.
    It came to *a* conclusion, that doesn't really prove anything other than you and Bern are ruled by confirmation bias.

    It's not the government that said this, High IQ Banana. It's the Koch Bros' Mercatus Institute that did.
    Not denying that. What's your point?

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