*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[Poopadoop]

You missed the bit where I explain the fake report isn't the bigger problem.

It's a problem for the left if the media acts as though a crime report is true until they have facts to suggest otherwise?

[OngBonga]

It's a problem for the left if the media acts as though a crime report is true until they have facts to suggest otherwise?

It's a problem for the left when left minded people begin to see the blatant media bias, and start to question whether Trump is as bad as they've been led to believe.

[Poopadoop]

Actually, it seems it worse for the right that the words 'Trump supporter' have become a shorthand for 'violent prejudiced person who's not too bright.'

[OngBonga]

Actually, it seems it worse for the right that the words 'Trump supporter' have become a shorthand for 'violent prejudiced person who's not too bright.'

Actually, the words "Trump supporter" coming from the left has come to be shorthand for "I judge people based on who they vote for".

[Poopadoop]

Actually, the words "Trump supporter" coming from the left has come to be shorthand for "I judge people based on who they vote for".

Most people judge people based on their actions.

If someone does something retarded, I tend to think it's because they're a retard.

[OngBonga]

Most people judge people based on their actions.

If someone does something retarded, I tend to think it's because they're a retard.

So you're saying that having a political opinion that differs to yours is to behave in a retarded manner, worthy of your judgement?

[Poopadoop]

So you're saying that having a political opinion that differs to yours is to behave in a retarded manner, worthy of your judgement?

Not that specifically, no.

I'm saying if you vote for someone who is obviously a con you're not too streetwise, and probably not too bright in general.

[Poopadoop]

For example, I wouldn't say voting for Mitt Romney made someone an idiot just because his political views didn't align with mine.

See the difference?

[OngBonga]

Maybe 5% if we're asking people in Mexico, Pakistan and Indonesia as well as USA.

[oskar]

That Trump is anything but a fat piece of shit trustfund baby who can barely talk coherently, is not a political opinion. If anyone looks at Trump and thinks "respectable!" I'm not being political in assuming that person is an idiot.

Trump got 8% of the black vote in 2016. Generally the polls hover between 3 to 10%. - 30% if it's Rasmussen. idk how they do their polls. I think 5% is a realistic estimate based on the last election and the general trend.

[OngBonga]

You think he's trying to fuck up the country for his own personal gain, that assumes you know his motivations. I don't.

[Poopadoop]

You think he's trying to fuck up the country for his own personal gain, that assumes you know his motivations. I don't.

nope I make inferences about his motives based on his actions. Nothing in his past or present suggests he's in it for anyone but himself.

[OngBonga]

nope I make inferences about his motives based on his actions. Nothing in his past or present suggests he's in it for anyone but himself.

The difference between us is that I don't hold my opinion to be any more worthy than yours. I see a dumb fuck who wants what's best for his country. He's already got everything he needs... billions of dollars at the biggest job in America. His ego is what matters to him. And the only way for him to massage his ego further would be to, in his opinion, make America great again. That's why I think he went for presidency.

Maybe I'm wrong and you're right. I don't think you're a retard for disagreeing with me. You guys default into "anyone who supports Trump is a retard", whether you acknowledge it or not. And, in my opinion, the reason is because the left control the media and you guys don't have critical thinking when it comes to absorbing it.

[Poopadoop]

Maybe I'm wrong and you're right. I don't think you're a retard for disagreeing with me.

I don't think you're a retard either. In fact I know you're not. I do think you're uninformed or naive or something though. Because it's plain to me that Trump is pushing hard on the 'worst president ever' crown.

You guys default into "anyone who supports Trump is a retard", whether you acknowledge it or not.

No I think "anyone who is a retard supports Trump." Don't confuse the two.

And, in my opinion, the reason is because the left control the media and you guys don't have critical thinking when it comes to absorbing it.

The media doesn't (afaik) cut and paste film and text to make Trump sound like a babbling incoherent racist.

The day Trump announced he was running, he said "I'm gonna build a Wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it."

That was the day I thought "A lot of retards are going to support this guy."

[OngBonga]

That Trump is anything but a fat piece of shit trustfund baby who can barely talk coherently, is not a political opinion. If anyone looks at Trump and thinks "respectable!" I'm not being political in assuming that person is an idiot.

Who says he has to be "respectable"? He just has to be more credible than his opponents.

[Poopadoop]

Who says he has to be "respectable"? He just has to be more credible than his opponents.

In what way is he more credible than anyone? Serious question.

[OngBonga]

In what way is he more credible than anyone? Serious question.

The left have zero credibility. Trump at least appears to want what is in his opinion best for America.

[Poopadoop]

Trump at least appears to want what is in his opinion best for America.

lol.

He pretty much just parrots whatever he sees on Fox News. So basically your argument is that Trump believes FN knows what's best and he is their conduit.

[OngBonga]

lol.

He pretty much just parrots whatever he sees on Fox News. So basically your argument is that Trump believes FN knows what's best and he is their conduit.

I don't watch Fox News, I wouldn't know.

[oskar]

Who says he has to be "respectable"? He just has to be more credible than his opponents.

What opponents? He's the president. You either support him or you don't. Opponents have nothing to do with it. "sure, he's secretly selling nuclear secrets to saudi arabia, buuuht Hilary!" - It makes no sense. She's not 2nd president, and supporting neither is an option.

[OngBonga]

What opponents? He's the president. You either support him or you don't. Opponents have nothing to do with it. "sure, he's secretly selling nuclear secrets to saudi arabia, buuuht Hilary!" - It makes no sense. She's not 2nd president, and supporting neither is an option.

His opponents are the Dems and those who vote Dem.

Obviously.

[Poopadoop]

You have to assume immigration is bad for those arguments to work. And if you think that you should go back to Saxony you German fuck.

[OngBonga]

You have to assume immigration is bad for those arguments to work. And if you think that you should go back to Saxony you German fuck.

Islamic immigration is bad, in my opinion. Supporting it on the basis of equality, when it's the most oppressive system of control that is widespread in today's world, would be laughable if it wasn't so fucking serious.

[Poopadoop]

Islamic immigration is bad, in my opinion.

This is the type of blanket prejudice that appeals to ignorant people.

Not everyone in those countries is a fundamentalist baby raper.

Supporting it on the basis of equality, when it's the most oppressive system of control that is widespread in today's world, would be laughable if it wasn't so fucking serious.

Hardly is anyone 'supporting' it. (Some) people are saying you shouldn't dismiss an immigrant simply by dint of them coming from a Muslim country. Big difference there.

[oskar]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ck-loop-216248

This was surprising a year ago. Now everyone knows that he spends his entire morning watching TV and tweeting about what he sees on Fox. We got his TV watching schedule.

[OngBonga]

The day Trump announced he was running, he said "I'm gonna build a Wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it."

I think you underestimate how many people find this more palatable than importing voters.

[oskar]

I think you underestimate how many people find this more palatable than importing voters.

Talking about right wingers perpetrating conspiracy theories. What the fuck are you talking about? North Carolina is in another massive voter fraud scandal - member when I tried to explain Wuf this a year ago - now it's all new and all different voter fraud in NC! But somehow the only real voter fraud is Trumps tweed that California imported 3 million illegal votes. That is the only real news. All other news is fake news.

[Poopadoop]

I think you underestimate how many people find this more palatable than importing voters.

Didn't Obama set a record for deporting people? How does that fit into the conspiracy then?

[OngBonga]

Didn't Obama set a record for deporting people? How does that fit into the conspiracy then?

Maybe he did, idk... what was the net immigration taking into account deportations? How does this compare with Republican presidents?

[Poopadoop]

Maybe he did, idk... what was the net immigration taking into account deportations? How does this compare with Republican presidents?

Well it depends. Are you referring to all immigrants or just the poor brown ones who are the most likely to vote D?

[oskar]

I just don't see how you can look at what he's doing and think any of it is in good faith. Selling nuclear technology to SA is making america great? Denying intelligence reports and siding with SA on Kashoggi killings is making america great? Is calling the press the enemy of the people making america great? What about saying Mexico is "sending murders and rapists"? Saying you don't believe crime statistics because you "just have to look at them(mexicans)" to know they're bad hombres. What part of that is anything but playing to the primal fears of his voter base to get him re-elected? That is the only thing he cares about.

[Poopadoop]

If one just looks at Mexico, here's the numbers:

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/prog...tion-over-time

1970 was when the number of immigrants living in the US started going up dramatically, until they peaked around 2010 and then started falling again.

There was an R president for 26 of those 40 years.

[OngBonga]

The Russia hysteria is more media nonsense. Ignore it, I do.

You're unwilling to integrate into society...

I'm integrated. I work one day a week at Oxfam as a volunteer.

But even so, I was born here, so were my parents, and I don't have another passport. British state has no choice but to consider me British.

[Poopadoop]

The Russia hysteria is more media nonsense. Ignore it, I do.

yeah all those indictments related to collusion with Russia? Witch hunt.

I'm integrated. I work one day a week at Oxfam as a volunteer.

I work five days a week, like most people. So I'm five times as integrated as you. But if I thought my wife should wear a veil you'd want to boot me out.

But even so, I was born here, so were my parents, and I don't have another passport. British state has no choice but to consider me British.

Well, hypothetically they could still decide to kick you out.

[OngBonga]

Well, hypothetically they could still decide to kick you out.

I doubt that very much.

[OngBonga]

But I guess we've seen there's no evidence that more are allowed in by D presidents than by R ones. So forget it.

Show me evidence that Mexican voters tend to vote for whoever was in power when they came in, and I'll listen to this argument.

[OngBonga]

Not just cover her face... if you refuse to let her drive, or go to college, if you beat her because your dinner isn't acceptable, then yeah, kindly fuck off back to where you came from.

[oskar]

Trump build less wall than Obama - 0 vs 150+ miles. I wonder why he ever bothered to try to build anything - he didn't need to. Yesterday he tweeted out a video of fence replacement that was taken a year ago, showing the replacement of existing fencing that was planned and budgeted under Obama. That is all it took. Trumples are eating it up like a baby koala is eating up their mothers pap.

You're stuck in 2000 with your fear of muslims, Ong. A tiny tiny fraction of mass shootings and terror attacks in the past decade in america were carried out by muslims. White americans have committed way more and more lethal terror attacks than muslim immigrants. I hate being an apologist for muslims, but that fear is not based in facts.

[OngBonga]

Mexico is a non-Islamic country and is right next to America.

[Poopadoop]

Mexico is a non-Islamic country and is right next to America.

I thought your argument was that the Ds are conspiring to import voters. That seems like the easiest place to bring them in from. A lot are willing, it's close, there's no Wall to get over, etc.

[OngBonga]

I thought your argument was that the Ds are conspiring to import voters. That seems like the easiest place to bring them in from. A lot are willing, it's close, there's no Wall to get over, etc.

Oh yeah I was distracted by talk of Islam.

Mexican immigration will be subject to various factors. Also, are Mexican immigrants easy to victimise and politically manipulate?

[Poopadoop]

Oh yeah I was distracted by talk of Islam.

Mexican immigration will be subject to various factors. Also, are Mexican immigrants easy to victimise and politically manipulate?

One would certainly have to believe so to think they're being imported on purpose since they make up the biggest single group of immigrants to the US.

But I guess we've seen there's no evidence that more are allowed in by D presidents than by R ones. So forget it.

[Jack Sawyer]

Mexico is a non-Islamic country and is right next to America.

Don't tell that to DJT, as apparently there are a whole ton of muslims going into the USA via the Mexican Border, necessitating Jon Snow and the Watch. Oh, and a Wall.

[OngBonga]

I work five days a week, like most people. So I'm five times as integrated as you. But if I thought my wife should wear a veil you'd want to boot me out.

Well lucky for you, you grew up in a country that has values very similar to ours, which means you don't have to work as hard to convince us that you personally have acceptable values.

But yeah, make your wife cover up her face in public and I might jump on the "deport poop" bandwagon. Your wife can stay though if she wants.

[oskar]

Why do you keep pivoting? You clearly called muslims a security threat. When I tell you they're clearly not they become a "cultural" threat - whatever that means, and you start making shit up. What percentage of american muslims think that women shouldn't drive? Shouldn't go to collage? Where do you get the domestic violence stats from? Is this based in reality, or is it just your feelings?

[OngBonga]

What percentage of muslims think that women shouldn't drive?

I don't think I've ever seen an Islamic woman driving.

Where do you get the domestic violence stats from?

I was citing this more in the context of British values, rather than charging Muslims with this accusation. I don't know if domestic violence is higher amongst the Islamic population than non-Islamic, but I would expect it to be, since their men tend to consider women as subordinate, a result of their religious indoctrination.

[Jack Sawyer]

I don't think I've ever seen an Islamic woman driving.

[OngBonga]

Why do you keep pivoting? You clearly called muslims a security threat.

You assumed terrorism from the "security threat". Actually I think the bigger problem is a future civil war, when it's clear that integration is not forthcoming and there is a serious risk that an Islamic political party can gain power. That's a distant threat, but one that I consider to be real.

[oskar]

So you make these claim based on your personal believes, and you think political action should be taken based on your feelings. If this sounds harsh, please correct me.
The claim that you haven't seen muslim women drive is curious. What percentage of british muslim women even wear hijabs?

[Poopadoop]

Well this one shouldn't be allowed to drive, she's on the fuckign phone!

https://www.videoblocks.com/video/mo...5ma5zzj3bebf4c

I'd still bang her though.

[OngBonga]

What percentage of british muslim women even wear hijabs?

Based on my observations, very high. The burka is not so common, but I wouldn't call it rare.

So you make these claim based on your personal believes, and you think political action should be taken based on your feelings. If this sounds harsh, please correct me.

The oppression of women is not a feeling. And if I were actually in charge of policy, I'd be citing just facts, not feelings.

[Poopadoop]

Based on my observations, very high. The burka is not so common, but I wouldn't call it rare.

Define 'observation'. If by this, you mean 'whenever I spot a hijab I know it's a muslim', that's not really scientific. How do you identify a muslim who's not wearing a hijab?

Maybe it's different for me being in a university setting, but most students I would suspect are muslim based on their names aren't wearing hijabs, in fact it's rare. And I don't think I've ever had a muslim student going full ninja (burka), although I did have one wearing the semi-ninja (everything covered but the face).

[oskar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...d_the_tens_of/

According to T_D, Kamala Harris orchestrated this and is currently killing off the people who know, and the police is destroying evidence of this left-wing hoax. I'm not gonna fact check that, boost. If it turns out they're right on that too, then, I'm just gonna... buy a balloon and see where the winds take me. I honestly still can't believe the part that actually what happened. Who the fuck stages an attack with no witnesses? Who hires the blackest nigerians to impersonate Trump supporters? How fucking retarded are you? To get more money? Why would that get him more money! What the fuck is going on!

[boost]

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...d_the_tens_of/

According to T_D, Kamala Harris orchestrated this and is currently killing off the people who know, and the police is destroying evidence of this left-wing hoax. I'm not gonna fact check that, boost. If it turns out they're right on that too, then, I'm just gonna... buy a balloon and see where the winds take me. I honestly still can't believe the part that actually what happened. Who the fuck stages an attack with no witnesses? Who hires the blackest nigerians to impersonate Trump supporters? How fucking retarded are you? To get more money? Why would that get him more money! What the fuck is going on!

You're strawmanning me again...

A lot of what is said on T_D is wrong, but just because it's on T_D doesn't make it wrong.

This was covered nationally, but obviously it's a bigger deal now that it's shown to be a hoax. Just google Smollet and put a time range Jan 29-Feb 5 to see articles from the first week. I'm not sure how to figure out how prominent these articles were, but the supposed attack was certainly national news.

[oskar]

You're strawmanning me again...

A lot of what is said on T_D is wrong, but just because it's on T_D doesn't make it wrong.

This was covered nationally, but obviously it's a bigger deal now that it's shown to be a hoax. Just google Smollet and put a time range Jan 29-Feb 5 to see articles from the first week. I'm not sure how to figure out how prominent these articles were, but the supposed attack was certainly national news.

This is how TYT - is there anything left of TYT? Anyway, this is how TYT covered it:

https://youtu.be/pSwainMCdZ8?t=73

Based on the comments it looks like this is currently being viewed exclusively by Trump supporters using this as a gotcha, when it's comical how often they say that none of the facts are in.

[boost]

This is how TYT - is there anything left of TYT? Anyway, this is how TYT covered it:

https://youtu.be/pSwainMCdZ8?t=73

Based on the comments it looks like this is currently being viewed exclusively by Trump supporters using this as a gotcha, when it's comical how often they say that none of the facts are in.

What are you doing... you asserted that it was not covered in the mainstream before it became a scandal, and that's not true. NYT, AP, WP, etc all covered the attack. Presidential candidates tweeted about it. You seem to be stuck on the idea that this is something that only T_D is fixated on. It's a big story, when it was an attack and even more so now that it's be revealed to be a fabrication.

[oskar]

I disagree with the sentiment that lefties "fell for it." I see that some people tweeted about it the day AP first broke the story and they should have been more careful. It certainly didn't dominate the news by any stretch. There's no relation in the way "the left" reacted compared to the avalanche it caused on the right. That's why I said: this is the most important thing that happened for Trump in his entire presidency. This story will not disappear for years, and the story will always be: the left completely fell for this hoax, and the left is staging hate crimes.

I hate that we even talk about it. I hope they throw the book at this idiot.

Meanwhile Trump is getting away with more abuse of power day by day. Says SNL "should be investigated." Says the NYT is "the enemy of the people" - the first time he has singled out a newspaper. Tries to sell nuclear technology to SA. Declares an emergency to circumvent congress's power of purse, which is completely unprecedented. Now says it's ok if North Korea wants to keep weapons. Says he doesn't believe crime statistics as they relate to mexicans because you "just have to look at prisons." Learned that Trump's now labor secretary Alex Acosta illegally signed a non-prosecution agreement without notifying the rape victims while he was prosecuting Epstein - who is, let us remember, a serial rapist billionaire who got off with a slap on the wrist after confessing of raping dozens of children. It appears - not in small part thanks to Alex Acosta who Trump just happened to see fit to become his labor secretary. And republicans in NC caught in MASSIVE voter fraud and face re-election.

This was all in the past 7 days. And we're talking about some retard who thought he could get some positive publicity by staging a hate crime.

[OngBonga]

Maybe it's different for me being in a university setting, but most students I would suspect are muslim based on their names aren't wearing hijabs, in fact it's rare.

I'm going to say yes, it's because you're in a university setting. Any female Muslim at a university with white male British folk is part of a tolerant family seeking to truly integrate. I wish I could say that was a reflection of Islamic immigration in general. But it's not.

Try going to the suburbs of Birmingham. Whenever I have to get the bus through certain parts, it is clear that many Islamic immigrants have no intention of integrating. ALL of the women you can see are wearing at least a hijab, and we are talking about a district where there are very few, if any, white people living. The schools in these regions are Islamic schools, then banks are Islamic, the shops are Islamic. This would be fine if it were unique. There's regions of Spain where it's full of English people, who speak exclusively English and eat fish and chips. The Spanish don't really like these guys, can't say I blame them. Fortunately for Spain, it's not widespread. If it were, then the English would be more disliked. And we're not even batshit religious nutjobs, we share a lot in common with the Spanish, even if we speak different languages.

[oskar]

Sounds scary. What tangible problems does this cause?

[Poopadoop]

Sounds scary. What tangible problems does this cause?

That's what I was wondering.

Are you getting raped on the bus Ong?

[Poopadoop]

Damn though, come to think of it I know what you mean. There's a place in London called Southall that is basically 99% Indians. They have indian shops, indian clothes, I mean it's like they want to keep their culture or something. Then there's another place called Edgware that is full of Arabs. They wear arab clothes, smoke the hookah, have arab restaurants. There's also Jamacian neighbourhoods, Polish neighbourhoods, Bengali, etc., but I'm too scared to go there. Mostly I just go and sit in a park in Wimbledon hoping I don't have to mix with other races.

[OngBonga]

Here's another thought experiment.

Imagine two million Satanists want to come to [your country].

Are you a racist if you say "fuck that shit"?

[OngBonga]

Sounds scary. What tangible problems does this cause?

Here's a thought experiment for you.

Consider a nation that has 1% Islamic population.
Ten years later it's 5%.
Another ten years later it's 10%.

Do you anticipate future problems? Be honest now.

[Poopadoop]

Here's a thought experiment for you.

Consider a nation that has 1% Islamic population.
Ten years later it's 5%.
Another ten years later it's 10%.

Do you anticipate future problems? Be honest now.

There were 1m Muslims in the UK in 1991, making up 1.8% of the population
There were 3m in 2011, making up 5%.

If this continues, they'll get to 10% by ~2040.

So what problems do you anticipate in 2040?

[oskar]

I don't want to get into hypotheticals. My overarching point is that policy decisions that affect a whole demographic of people should be made based on facts and not fantasies.

You say: muslims have twice the fertility rate (they don't) which can be projected and will definitely remain unchanging for the next 30 years (based on what model?) and that these muslims will then overthrow the government and change the law (fantasy). People had the same fear in the 90's. Actual population growth of muslims in europe between 1990 and 2010: from 4% to HOLD ON TO YOUR HORSES 6% - projected to reach 10% by 2050.

[OngBonga]

Mostly I just go and sit in a park in Wimbledon hoping I don't have to mix with other races.

The old "Islam is a race" card. Nice work.

Islam is not a race, it is not a country. It is a religion that is incompatible with the Western way of life.

I would not say the same about Indians (non-Islamic), Jamaicans, Polish or any other source of mass immigration.

[Jack Sawyer]

LOL he paid them off with a check

A. Check.

LOLOLOL

[OngBonga]

Poop assumes non-Muslims are having babies at the same rate as Muslims.

spoiler - they're not.

[OngBonga]

Best case scenario for me is that science wins. All these Muslim babies coming into the world will abandon Islam because it's fucking dumb to believe in it when we've proven the universe is infinite in time, both before and after the present. Not really much room for Allah there. Or the Christian God, for that matter.

[Poopadoop]

Best case scenario for me is that science wins. All these Muslim babies coming into the world will abandon Islam because it's fucking dumb to believe in it when we've proven the universe is infinite in time, both before and after the present. Not really much room for Allah there. Or the Christian God, for that matter.

So nothing to worry about then.

So you haven't really answered my question. Assuming they go Malthusian and are 10% of the population by 2030, what problems do you anticipate?

[OngBonga]

Or a civil war before that happens.

[OngBonga]

Can I ask you a serious question?

Do you think Islam is an oppressive religion? I'm genuinely curious why you don't have a problem with the Islamic population increasing at a higher rate than non-Islamic.

[Poopadoop]

Can I ask you a serious question?

Do you think Islam is an oppressive religion? I'm genuinely curious why you don't have a problem with the Islamic population increasing at a higher rate than non-Islamic.

Hard-core islam is a problem, sure. But, I don't believe that freaking out over a current 5% Muslim population, only about 40% of which support 'aspects' of Sharia Law, is warranted.

https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2...-of-sharia-law

You can't just add up the number of people who identify as muslim, see that it's growing over time, then project a Malthusian takeover of the population in 30 years and start panicking about Sharia Law as in the moment we become > 50% Muslim they'll enact it. I mean, you can, but it's not rational.

First, you don't know that population trends will continue, or that as you seem to suggest, reflect proportion of Muslims changing at an exponential rate (and if so, that they will continue to do so). Second, even if the population eventually became 100% Muslim (which might take 250 years, but w/e), they'd still only have ~40% support for Sharia Law (assuming things stay the same).

So the Sharia Law freakout argument is obviously bogus. You clearly have some other reason for not wanting them here. Maybe because you're not comfortable around them for whatever reason. But don't try to argue stuff is going to happen that isn't.

[Poopadoop]

... a current 5% Muslim population, only about 40% of which support 'aspects' of Sharia Law...

To elaborate on this, Sharia Law comes in various forms with various interpretations, and is only meant to apply to Muslims. It's not about forcing people to join the religion, or live under it's laws. Rather, it requires its followers to obey the laws of the land.

Sharia addresses both personal and communal aspects of life. For the most part, Sharia is concerned with personal religious observances such as prayer and fasting.

Sharia can be divided into two broad areas:

Guidance in religious worship (ibadat), which is the central focus of Islam.
Guidance in worldly matters (mu’amalat) such as visiting the sick, taking care of our parents, marriage, inheritance, investments and business affairs, etc.

It can be further divided into three more specific areas, some of which apply to American Muslims and some of which do not:

Religious worship and ritual: American Muslims practice their acts of worship (prayer, fasting, pilgrimage, etc.) or rituals in the same manner as people of other faiths.
Private social interactions (marriage, business, etc.): All religions have rules for marriage and ethical economics. These are private and voluntary, so American Muslims follow Islamic standards for these within the limits of American secular law. For example, civil law prohibits having more than one wife, so American Muslims must abide by this law (since Sharia recommends monogamy, this isn’t a problem). There are other aspects of marriage laws such as the mahr (gift from the husband to the wife) or the religious marriage contract which Muslims do observe. Since the Constitution allows such practices for all religions, it is also acceptable to practice this aspect of Sharia in America.
Public law issues (criminal law, war and peace, etc.): These have no application in the U.S. Islamic scholars formulated rules in this area for Muslim-majority societies in other historical situations. But Sharia requires Muslims to obey “the law of the land” of the country they live in. The “law of the land” in the U.S. is the Constitution. Sharia requires American Muslims to support and follow the Constitution in all matters related to public law. Most aspects of Sharia are not meant to be government-enforced, because Sharia is largely a matter of conscience.

[OngBonga]

Is it fear of being called a racist? Is that worse than the Islamification of the country you live in?