*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[CoccoBill]

Why is it punishment? If I try to move to New Zealand, and they say I'm useless to them so I can stay in the UK, well I'm not being punsihed by New Zealand. I have no God-given right to go where the hell I like on the planet. I mean, if I demand $100 off you, and you politely tell me to fuck off, are you punishing me? By your logic, it seems so.

I used the word punishment just as a general sentiment (crime and punishment), but I don't see why it wouldn't work here. Without a criminal record you're able to migrate to NZ if you qualified on the rest of the immigration criteria, right? The "punishment" for having one is denied access. A punishment by definition is "a penalty inflicted as retribution for an offence". I don't think that's such a leap in semantics. The demand for a $100 is obviously a different issue, it isn't a case where you'd be eligible for that money without having done an offence.

[OngBonga]

The demand for a $100 is obviously a different issue, it isn't a case where you'd be eligible for that money without having done an offence.

Eligble? No one is automatically "eligible" to enter another nation. Rights are not being taken away from declined migrants. On the contrary, rights are granted to accepted migrants.

[BananaStand]

A punishment by definition is "a penalty inflicted as retribution for an offence".

It's like you don't even know how entitled your thinking really is. Read what you just wrote there. Think about what each word actually means. Now apply that to the context of this conversation, and tell me how you're making any damn sense.

Go look up the word "penalty".

Being denied an unearned privilege is NOT a penalty.

It's this kind of "the world owes me" thinking that's driving Scandinavia's economy into the sewer.

[OngBonga]

But all of this is of course meaningless to the discussion, as you well know. It is not ok to e.g. deny a person access to a country based on their beliefs, whether you call that a punishment or not.

You called it a punishment, and yes it is perfectly acceptable to deny someone entry for any reason whatsoever. We have no obligation in the first place. There is no entitlement. We should do what New Zealand does and only accept people who are of net benefit to the receiving state.