*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[TheSpoonald]

If you had to guess, how many hours of his life did Trump spend actively working on Trump University.

[Poopadoop]

A guy came to me with an idea for Poop U. I didn't ask questions I just wanted to be majority owner. I did some ads, was there for the opening ceremonies, and just assumed it was a legit university. I was making good money on it for a few years and then the lawsuits started. I had no idea it was a scam.

Another guy told me I should start a charity. Without me knowing he used it to pay my bills, which surprised me 'cause that benefitted me and not him. But I had no idea.

Deutsche Bank loaned me a shitload of money once. I defaulted on the loan, they loaned me another shitload. I don't understand why people are suspicious of that.

I can't make my tax returns public because they've been under audit. For three years now. People who say that's not a real reason to withold them are lying.

I have no idea why these things keep happening to me. Maybe I should start asking questions when people come to me with ideas for making money. Seeing as I'm the prime benefactor of these operations, I'm going to be the one held legally responsible. Nobody told me I had to be careful about the businesses I own, or to make sure they actually follow the law. Really, after 50 years in business I had no idea.

[TheSpoonald]

A guy came to me with an idea for Poop U. I didn't ask questions I just wanted to be majority owner. I did some ads, was there for the opening ceremonies, and just assumed it was a legit university. I was making good money on it for a few years and then the lawsuits started. I had no idea it was a scam.

Maybe that's exactly what happened.

Another guy told me I should start a charity. Without me knowing he used it to pay my bills, which surprised me 'cause that benefitted me and not him. But I had no idea.

You're either being deliberately blind, or you're pitifully naive. This happens all day every day among the elite ruling class. Tons of charities are run by wealthy socialites with too much time on their hands. They fly first class, stay 5-star, drink top shelf, and schmooz all on donor's dimes. Blurry overlap of what's a personal expense and what's a business expense occurs all the fucking time. That's how Bernie Sanders lives today. If Trump's doing it too, I'm not surprised. So what? That's the kind of thing folks could have guessed about him before the election. And he still won.

Deutsche Bank loaned me a shitload of money once. I defaulted on the loan, they loaned me another shitload. I don't understand why people are suspicious of that.

I don't understand either. That doesn't sound suspicious at all actually.

I can't make my tax returns public because they've been under audit. For three years now. People who say that's not a real reason to withold them are lying.

Trump can make his returns public. He just wont. Why? Because fuck off. That's why. That attitude is why alot of people vote FOR Trump

[Poopadoop]

Maybe that's exactly what happened.

Sure, and maybe the sky is pink, pigs can fly, and fairies rule the world.

This happens all day every day among the elite ruling class.

Uh, no people don't commit fraud all day every day. Or if they do, and get caught, they go to jail.

I don't understand either. That doesn't sound suspicious at all actually.

Yeah defaulting on a major loan is a sure way to get another major loan. Ask anyone. Ldo.

Trump can make his returns public. He just wont. Why? Because fuck off.

Or, more likely, because he's afraid of what people will find out and that he'll be in ever deeper shit than he already is.

[TheSpoonald]

Or, more likely, because he's afraid of what people will find out and that he'll be in ever deeper shit than he already is.

This is CNN swill. People don't openly document their crimes on an official form, get their CPA to sign it, and then send it in to the government. There's nothing criminal in Trump's tax returns. Guaranteed.

Maybe you'll find out that he isn't as rich as he says he is. Or that he doesn't make as much money as he says he does. Or that he has more debt than he says he does. Or that he has an investment in a Russian company like almost all other Americans with a diversified portfolio.

Please explain to me why any of that would matter?

[Jack Sawyer]

[TheSpoonald]

The entire McCain family is some of the worst people there are.

[TheSpoonald]

LOL, great answers. You're really demonstrating how you're able to identify serious issues, and hold fast to facts. I'm really impressed how you've taken innuendo and turned it into a rock solid case against a sitting president.

[oskar]

It's not that he's not releasing his tax returns, it's that his lawyers are telling the IRS not to comply with the demand of the house judicial committee to release Trumps tax returns, and the IRS is siding with Trumps lawyers rather than complying with congress.

There is a systemic problem with the Trump administrations - boot licking sycophants everywhere are willing to break the law to suck up their golden god, and Trump is on record encouraging it.

[TheSpoonald]

It's not that he's not releasing his tax returns, it's that his lawyers are telling the IRS not to comply with the demand of the house judicial committee to release Trumps tax returns, and the IRS is siding with Trumps lawyers rather than complying with congress.

There is a systemic problem with the Trump administrations - boot licking sycophants everywhere are willing to break the law to suck up their golden god, and Trump is on record encouraging it.

What is it with you and congress? What do you think congress does?

Ready for a civics lesson? Pay attention. The constitution prevents tyranny by instituting a definitive segregation of powers. This allows each branch of government to be a check and balance against the other two. It's a brilliant system, and is probably one of the top 5 ideas mankind has ever had.

So follow me now. The legislative branch makes the laws. The executive branch enforces the law. The IRS works for the executive branch. Congress has no right to be demanding that the IRS do anything. The IRS takes orders from Trump, and that's the way it should be. If it were not that way....it would be hell.

Trump is under no obligation to turn over any personal/business documents without due process. That pesky constitution again...insisting on due process and protecting people's rights against self-incrimination. DAMN that 5th amendment!! And screw the 4th too!!

Explain to me Oskar, why you think it's ok to disregard the constitution, re-arrange the separation of powers, give congress ultimate authority to do everything....all because orange man bad!!!

[oskar]

Explain to me Oskar, why you think it's ok to disregard the constitution, re-arrange the separation of powers, give congress ultimate authority to do everything....all because orange man bad!!!

I didn't say orange man bad, I said I find it worrying that the presidents personal lawyers can direct the IRS to not comply with congress. Congress has the power to ask the IRS for tax returns, they just never had to ask for a presidents tax returns because every president so far has released their tax returns. So this is an open question that I assume will end up in the supreme court.

Without any doubt, Trump executed the greatest troll of all time. Epic in scope, brilliantly presented, and so thoroughly effective I can only stand in awe at this truly fantastic work of art.

This beats "because you'd be in jail" as Trump's greatest smackdown ever.

I genuinely don't understand what that means. How do you determine what is a "troll" and what isn't? What if they start shipping immigrants straight to sanctuary cities with no hearing? Is that still a troll then? What about saying he'd build a wall? Was that a troll? How do I know what's a troll and what isn't?

[TheSpoonald]

I didn't say orange man bad, I said I find it worrying that the presidents personal lawyers can direct the IRS to not comply with congress

Why the word salad? This sounds like your beef is with Trump's lawyers. If not, then cut out the extra syllables and just say that Trump is keeping his tax returns private. It is his right to do so. Congress doesn't get to violate due process and the 4th amendment just because orange man bad.

Congress has the power to ask the IRS for tax returns

Uhhhhh, nope.

So this is an open question that I assume will end up in the supreme court

I'm bored by this typical leftist response. "I don't like the law, so I'm hoping some other government body can get around it"

I genuinely don't understand what that means. How do you determine what is a "troll" and what isn't?

If it makes democrats angry, it's a troll. If it makes democrats whine about their moral superiority, it's policy.

What if they start shipping immigrants straight to sanctuary cities with no hearing?

Well, first of all, if you want to know the answer to that, just ask the residents of Lewiston Maine. Obama sent them a shitload of Somali refugees without even asking.

Hint: The somalis fucking love it. Mainers, not so much.

Second, who would object to that? The sanctuary cities have been telling us that immigrants are good, immigrants bring economic growth, they're better people than Americans are. Why wouldn't they want more immigrants? And the immigrants themselves should be thrilled to be going to a place where they are so valued and welcomed.

Explain to me how Trump doing this would be at all bad for anyone. It couldn't possibly be, unless immigrants are undesirable in some way. Are they?

[Poopadoop]

just ask the residents of Lewiston Maine. Obama sent them a shitload of Somali refugees without even asking.

Is this something that was actually documented? I can't find it. There's apparently a lot of Somalis in Lewiston, but nothing that says Obama just tossed them in there for whatever reason.

[Poopadoop]

Congress has the power to ask the IRS for tax returns,

They can ask, but it's a bit unclear whether or not the IRS has to give them to them.

[Poopadoop]

I genuinely don't understand what that means. How do you determine what is a "troll" and what isn't? What if they start shipping immigrants straight to sanctuary cities with no hearing? Is that still a troll then? What about saying he'd build a wall? Was that a troll? How do I know what's a troll and what isn't?

The job of POTUS in banana's mind is to piss off liberals. So obviously Trump is the GOAT because of all the stupid shit he says and does.

[TheSpoonald]

The job of POTUS reason trump got elected in banana's Spoonald's mind is to piss off liberals the ruling class. So obviously Trump is the GOAT because of all the stupid shit he says and doeshe is a patriot giving the ruling class the kick in the balls that it deserves.

You almost get me man.

[oskar]

What are your thoughts on Trumps proposal to ship immigrants straight to sanctuary cities?

[TheSpoonald]

What are your thoughts on Trumps proposal to ship immigrants straight to sanctuary cities?

Without any doubt, Trump executed the greatest troll of all time. Epic in scope, brilliantly presented, and so thoroughly effective I can only stand in awe at this truly fantastic work of art.

This beats "because you'd be in jail" as Trump's greatest smackdown ever.

[Jack Sawyer]

Without any doubt, Trump executed the greatest troll of all time. Epic in scope, brilliantly presented, and so thoroughly effective I can only stand in awe at this truly fantastic work of art.

This beats "because you'd be in jail" as Trump's greatest smackdown ever.

Don't quote that loon Tucker Carlson

[TheSpoonald]

Don't quote that loon Rachel Maddow

Don't quote that loon Tucker Carlson

They're both actually quite intelligent people. Maddow has Trump Derangement Syndrome. She'll go back to being a semi-coherent mouthpiece for the left once 2024 rolls around. I actually feel bad for her. She's not the one making the left go full-blown bonkers. She hitched on to the DNC wagon long ago, now she's just kinda stuck.

[OngBonga]

sup banana

[Poopadoop]

And now, some equally unbiased reporting from the other side.

[TheSpoonald]

Hilarious how they keep saying "tried to fire Robert Mueller". As if Trump was determined to do so, put his best effort into it, but was thwarted by superseding forces that he cannot control.

Let's be extremely clear. Trump had the power to fire Robert Mueller the entire time, and did not do so.

[Poopadoop]

Hilarious how they keep saying "tried to fire Robert Mueller". As if Trump was determined to do so, put his best effort into it, but was thwarted by superseding forces that he cannot control.

You're the only one reading that into it afaik.

When they say 'tried to fire Mueller', they're clear that they mean 'told McCahn to fire him and McCahn told him no.' Then Trump met with Lewandowski and told him to go tell Sessions to unrecuse (or w/e) himself, make a speech basically calling the investigation a witch hunt, and instruct Mueller to only investigate Russian interference in future elections (lol). Lewandowski didn't do it, so a month later Trump told him to not only give the message to Sessions, but tell Sessions that if he didn't do it, he was fired (as if Lewandowski could fire the AG lol). Lewandowski gave the message to someone else in the WH and they didn't do it either.

This is the kind of shit circus Captain Retard is running. Come up with incredibly stupid ideas that show no understanding of the nuance or optics of the situation. No wonder he goes through staff left and right.

But hey, he trolls the libs so that makes him a great president lol. Four more years!

[TheSpoonald]

You're the only one reading that into it afaik.

Uh no. If you aren't reading that into it...you wouldn't care about ti.

When they say 'tried to fire Mueller', they're clear that they mean 'told McCahn to fire him and McCahn told him no.'

I see, so the President listened to his advisors rather than his impulsive instincts. What a monster!!

Then Trump met with Lewandowski and told him to go tell Sessions to unrecuse (or w/e) himself, make a speech basically calling the investigation a witch hunt, and instruct Mueller to only investigate Russian interference in future elections (lol). Lewandowski didn't do it, so a month later Trump told him to not only give the message to Sessions, but tell Sessions that if he didn't do it, he was fired (as if Lewandowski could fire the AG lol). Lewandowski gave the message to someone else in the WH and they didn't do it either.

Assuming any of this actually happened.....so what?

This is the kind of shit circus Captain Retard is running. Come up with incredibly stupid ideas that show no understanding of the nuance or optics of the situation. No wonder he goes through staff left and right.

I want you to read a book called "The Price of Politics". It's by Bob Woodward, of Watergate fame. You see, before he became a raging libtard shill for the Washington Post, Woodward used to be an intelligent human being. And he used his decades of connections and sources to write a book about the inner happenings of the Obama Administration. He did this in like...2013 or something....way way way before the bad orange man.

The book is basically about how the white house administration is just a circus run by a retard. Also, check out the constitution sometime. It's all about how the British Crown is a circus run by a retard and that it needs to be replaced with our own retard circus. Also notice how the founding fathers framed the constitution. It's like they knew that whoever would be in charge would just be a retard running a circus.

[Poopadoop]

Uh no. If you aren't reading that into it...you wouldn't care about ti.

Uh no, I don't care about it. I just think it's funny how clueless he is. If Rachel Maddow makes it out as the crime of century that doesn't mean I do.

I see, so the President listened to his advisors rather than his impulsive instincts. What a monster!!

Again, missing the point. He DID give into his impulsive retarded instincts. His advisor refused to do it because he saw how obviously retarded/bad it was.

Assuming any of this actually happened.....so what?

Point of evidence. POTUS is a retard. Anyone who wants said retard running their country is by proxy also a bit of a retard, don't you think?

I want you to read a book called "The Price of Politics". It's by Bob Woodward, of Watergate fame. You see, before he became a raging libtard shill for the Washington Post, Woodward used to be an intelligent human being. And he used his decades of connections and sources to write a book about the inner happenings of the Obama Administration. He did this in like...2013 or something....way way way before the bad orange man.

The book is basically about how the white house administration is just a circus run by a retard. Also, check out the constitution sometime. It's all about how the British Crown is a circus run by a retard and that it needs to be replaced with our own retard circus. Also notice how the founding fathers framed the constitution. It's like they knew that whoever would be in charge would just be a retard running a circus.

Oh I see. You're trying to equate Obama and every other president with Captain Retard. lol, nice try.

Basically, the only one who comes close to Trump for stupidity is Bush Jr. And even he had some common sense at least when it came to politics.

[Jack Sawyer]

And now, some equally unbiased reporting from the other side.

Don't quote that loon Rachel Maddow

[TheSpoonald]

She's also unforgivably ugly. Check out the fuckmeat on Fox News....now tell me why there is a huge gap in ratings.

[TheSpoonald]

I think your problem is that you consider partisan opinion monologues to be "reporting"

Also, the most scathing criticism of Trump that Ms Maddow seems to have, is that he has a fiery personality and is vehemently defending himself against a political witch hunt seeking to frame him for treason. Such amazing reporting.

[TheSpoonald]

Well, I'm not sure I'd say Tucker is "quite intelligent". He's really good at telling you what's wrong with things. And he is almost always right. But that's it.

[Poopadoop]

Well, I'm not sure I'd say Tucker is "quite intelligent".

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[TheSpoonald]

TUCKER.jpg

Check the guy out. He basically had to nepotism his way into college. Then he got fired alot. And now he's on Fox News.

[Poopadoop]

[MadMojoMonkey]

Fine. Politicians are criminal retards. Why single this one out so often and ignore all the others?

'Cause it's easy to point your finger at the top of the pile?

If it wasn't Trump, it'd be Clinton, a person whose presence in the election diverted votes to Trump because she was widely perceived to be a criminal.

[TheSpoonald]

Fine. Politicians are criminal retards. Why single this one out so often and ignore all the others?

'Cause it's easy to point your finger at the top of the pile?

If it wasn't Trump, it'd be Clinton, a person whose presence in the election diverted votes to Trump because she was widely perceived to be a criminal.

No, it would be different if Clinton were president. The mainstream media, academia, and the tech oligarchs would cheerlead for her while anyone on the right is cast as a nefarious villain trying to undermine her utopia. Cmon man, do you not remember the Obama administration?? That's exactly what happened for 8 years.

The reason they're extra mad at Trump is because he ruined their party. They were perfectly happy using identity politics programs to homogenize thinking and disengage the middle class. Democrats liked it because expanding a poor working class translated into reliable votes. Republicans liked it because their donors like low wages.

And the middle class got fucked over by about 30 years of that, and finally had enough. So we sent the Orange man to piss on their parade. People don't elect populists because they think they're smart rulers. They elect populists when the people in charge *really* fuck up.

So when Trump was elected, the ruling class should have said "Oh my god, what have we done? Where did we go so wrong that this happened??"

Instead they said "RUSSIA!!" and "RACIST" and "SEXIST" and blah blah blah

That's pathetic. And anyone still chanting that shit after the mobilization and subsequent failure of two dozen federal prosecutors, a former FBI chief, 30 million dollars, and about 3,000 subpoenas, is also pathetic.

Parents wouldn't accept this behavior from their children. People shouldn't accept it from their politicians.

[MadMojoMonkey]

No, it would be different if Clinton were president. The mainstream media, academia, and the tech oligarchs would cheerlead for her while anyone on the right is cast as a nefarious villain trying to undermine her utopia. Cmon man, do you not remember the Obama administration?? That's exactly what happened for 8 years.

Same story, just changed who's cheering and who's jeering.

That's what's been happening for at least 20 years, man. Bill Clinton was impeached. His opposition was so into casting him as a nefarious villain because he got a BJ and played fast and loose with the meaning of the word "is."
Bush had to contend with being accused of war crimes throughout most of his term.
Obama was accused of not being an American citizen (by Trump, even) for most of the 8 years he served.


The level of vitriol hasn't really changed in my lifetime.

[Poopadoop]

Banana you can't even have a normal discussion with someone who disagrees with you about anything without ending up in a temper tantrum. I know two year olds who have a better grip on themselves.

[TheSpoonald]

Same story, just changed who's cheering and who's jeering.

No. Not even close.

Bill Clinton was impeached. His opposition was so into casting him as a nefarious villain because he got a BJ and played fast and loose with the meaning of the word "is."

Turns out perjury is something the congress takes seriously. And rightly so. If he had just admitted to getting a bijowski...he probably would have skated. Anyone criticizing Trump for not talking to Mueller should remember that. Perjury traps are a thing.

But more importantly, New Gingrich decided to NOT be an obstructionist douchebag. He decided to be a reasonable person and actually work for the country, not just his party's ideology. And together, Newt and Bill passed meaningful legislation.

Democrats were all for a wall until Trump agreed with them. To not have a wall just means that the dems are obstructionist douchebags...which we just established..Clinton did NOT have to deal with.

Bush had to contend with being accused of war crimes throughout most of his term.

Yeah, by hollywood creampuffs. Who cares? Trump was being framed for treason through a series of illegal leaks from the highest levels of the justice department.

You really think it's just "same shit, different day"??

Obama was accused of not being an American citizen (by Trump, even) for most of the 8 years he served.

I remember that lasting six months tops. Was a special counsel ever appointed to investigate this? Did the government employ two dozen federal prosecutors and at an expense of 30 million dollars? Were lives ruined? Were harmless old men dragged out of their home by a swat team over Obama's citizenship??

The level of vitriol hasn't really changed in my lifetime.

Dude.....pay attention

[MadMojoMonkey]

If he had just admitted to getting a bijowski...he probably would have skated.

I think you'll find that it was a bijinski, you tool.


(FWIW, if you've not seen Lewinski's TED talk or her recent interview on John Oliver, I recommend. The world put her through a decade long shit fest, and she made it out the other side, and damn. That kind of shit builds character, and she took a PhD course in it.)

Dude.....pay attention

I try, but this shit is exhausting. You're the smartest person to comment against the echo chamber in here for ages, and for all your intelligence, you also reflect the vitriol.
At least you don't disregard other people's positions. I mean.. you shred your opposition's points, but at least you address them and don't post a meme of argharghargh and mock them.
You shred them while mocking them... which is a definitely step up, just a long way still to the apex, IMO. (Though I'm almost certainly setting the bar too high for human political discourse.)


It really is SSDD. The birther movement was going well into Obama's 2nd term. Maybe I misunderstood and you were only specifically addressing Trump asking for the birth certificate for 6 months.
This division and passion and vitriol goes back to the Founders. There were duels.. with guns and murder and stuff... back then. There was an American Civil War back then...

On the whole, we're really not doing that bad for ourselves, historically speaking.

[Poopadoop]

Fine. Politicians are criminal retards. Why single this one out so often and ignore all the others?

'Cause it's easy to point your finger at the top of the pile?

If it wasn't Trump, it'd be Clinton, a person whose presence in the election diverted votes to Trump because she was widely perceived to be a criminal.

I think there's a common perception that politicians are criminals by nature. But not all of them are also retards. This one is, and fwiw he's also on another level of criminal than most politicians.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I think there's a common perception that politicians are criminals by nature. But not all of them are also retards. This one is, and fwiw he's also on another level of criminal than most politicians.

No, he's not. Not by any literal interpretation of the word. He just has very different priorities, knowledge, and responsibilities than you do, so he acts differently.

The assertion that he's lacking in mental function is a cop out. Just gimme a break with that nonsense. If you don't want to see those you disagree with as intelligent humans, then you're being a bigot.
If you're willing to dehumanize those you oppose in order to buoy your own sense of self-righteousness, then you've coopted the weight of your voice. You will never understand your opposition if you cannot see them as intelligent, caring people. You will never sway those you oppose if you cannot understand them.

[Poopadoop]

No, he's not. Not by any literal interpretation of the word. He just has very different priorities, knowledge, and responsibilities than you do, so he acts differently.

The assertion that he's lacking in mental function is a cop out. Just gimme a break with that nonsense. If you don't want to see those you disagree with as intelligent humans, then you're being a bigot.
If you're willing to dehumanize those you oppose in order to buoy your own sense of self-righteousness, then you've coopted the weight of your voice. You will never understand your opposition if you cannot see them as intelligent, caring people. You will never sway those you oppose if you cannot understand them.

What is all this? lol, so the guy isn't literally mentally retarded is your point?

Ok, I'll call him another name then, 'clueless'. Is that better? Or are you going to go all dictionary on me on that as well?

[MadMojoMonkey]

What is all this? lol, so the guy isn't literally mentally retarded is your point?

Ok, I'll call him another name then, 'clueless'. Is that better? Or are you going to go all dictionary on me on that as well?

No need. Your position is pure ad hominem. There's no substance to it, nor any reason to bring it up if it were substantive.
Even if we assume your postulate, then what? We have a 'tarded president. OK. How shall we act, with this knowledge.

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What? Yes, he's 'tarded. You said.
OK...
Now calm down...
Dude. Didn't anyone ever tell you that it's just terribly rude to mock those less fortunate that you? Can you stop pointing at the retarded guy and calling him retarded?
You're being a dick.
Don't be a dick.
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Hey. You do you. I'm not telling you what to think or say. I'm just pointing out that what you choose to say when you express what you think is often not indicative of someone who's interested in an intelligent dialogue.

[oskar]

No, he's not. Not by any literal interpretation of the word. He just has very different priorities, knowledge, and responsibilities than you do, so he acts differently.

retarded (/rɪˈtɑːdɪd)
less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age.
"the child is badly retarded"

literally retarded by the literal definition of the word. You just got used to it. If you heard Trump speak for the first time today, you'd think: My god! This child is badly retarded.

[Poopadoop]

Yeah electing the Criminal Retard hasn't changed anything, except that you have a Criminal Retard in charge now.

Maybe try a different means of protesting.

[TheSpoonald]

Yeah electing the Criminal Retard hasn't changed anything, except that you have a Criminal Retard in charge now.

Maybe try a different means of protesting.

Are you for fucking real man?? Get out of your echo chamber.

First of all, just his presence is a change. Every day he's in office is a day Hillary isn't in office. So just by eating a big mac in the oval office....he's effectively stopped the progressive agenda.

Second, do you know what the number 1 issue is among voters right now? Immigration. And their opinion is not a positive one. Trump is winning that fight bigtime. He definitely fucked up along the way, the wall should already be built. But I don't see the democrats recovering on this issue.

Third, the economy. Unemployment, the stock market, property values, interest rates, and the price of gas are all better than fine.

Fourth, Trump's repulsiveness has caused the left to go completely batshit crazy. Have you listened to any of the 2020 candidates? Eliminate private insurance. Spend 10 billion on health care. Open borders. Green New Deal. ZOMG White supremacy!! Beto thinks his presence in a room = charitable giving. Elizabeth Warren thinks she's a different race. Booker thinks he's spartacus. AOC wants to control how many hamburgers you're allowed to eat. Ilhan Omar was blessed with the good fortune of being allowed to immigrate to the US after fleeing somalia and being raised in a Korean refugee camp. And now she makes a living shitting on this country. 70% tax rates. Swalwell wants to repeal the 2nd amendment. I could go on and on and on and on

This is completely bizarre, and when it comes voting time, folks are going to be left with a choice between a leftist who wants to take over their lives and a vulgarian who doesn't.

You really think the libs are gonna win that contest?

[Poopadoop]

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Whatever you say man. Four more years of the Criminal Retard!

[TheSpoonald]

Whatever you say man. Four more years of the Criminal Retard!

"Shut up" he explained.

Makes total sense. Very strong and convincing.

[Poopadoop]

"Shut up" he explained.

Makes total sense. Very strong and convincing.

You're arguing about things I'm not even talking about. And you're losing your shit over it. Thats why I don't respond.

My point is simple: Trump is the most criminal, dumbest president there's been in my lifetime at least, if not ever.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Bill Cosby raped people.

Bill Clinton, though?
If there's no conviction, then throwing around nonsense like this is exactly the melodramatic BS that you accuse your opposition of using.
If he hasn't been convicted of a crime, then you're just inflating hearsay into a false sense of fact-hood.

[TheSpoonald]

If he hasn't been convicted of a crime, then you're just inflating hearsay into a false sense of fact-hood.

So a woman says "i was raped" and that's "hearsay" to you?

Ok buddy.

[Poopadoop]

So a woman says "i was raped" and that's "hearsay" to you?

Ok buddy.

Worked for Kavanaugh. And Trump.

[MadMojoMonkey]

So a woman says "i was raped" and that's "hearsay" to you?

Ok buddy.

Since when do you ignore a man's right to a fair trial?


lololol

Imagine if I had posted that same quote in response to you!
lolol


C'mon, man. You can troll better than that.

[TheSpoonald]

If there's no conviction, then throwing around nonsense like this is exactly the melodramatic BS that you accuse your opposition of using.

Is it really melodramatic BS?

If you weren't so busy hating me, you'd realize that my only point is that Trump isn't any worse than anyone else. I've never defended the guy's character.

I don't see enough evidence to convict Clinton of rape. Nor do I see enough evidence to conclude that Trump is a criminal, a traitor, or even stupid.

My goal is to try and understand why Poop is holding Trump to a different standard than he holds literally every other person on earth including presidents.

[Poopadoop]

My goal is to try and understand why Poop is holding Trump to a different standard than he holds literally every other person on earth including presidents.

I've given you several examples of ways in which Trump is both more criminal and stupider than literally every other president. I'm sure there's a website somewhere with an exhaustive list if you're really interested.

[Jack Sawyer]

Are you for fucking real man?? Get out of your echo chamber.

First of all, just his presence is a change. Every day he's in office is a day Hillary isn't in office. So just by eating a big mac in the oval office....he's effectively stopped the progressive agenda.

LOL, the words Hillary and progressive in the same sentence!

Last week, Nancy Pelosi too claimed with a straight face she was a progressive.

Words have no meaning anymore

[TheSpoonald]

LOL, the words Hillary and progressive in the same sentence!

Last week, Nancy Pelosi too claimed with a straight face she was a progressive.

Words have no meaning anymore

I'm not playing that game. "liberal" is another word that doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean.

When I say progressives, you should just know that I mean anyone who says that they are a progressive. And when I say conservative, I mean everyone claiming allegiance to that camp as well, whether their actions mirror those values or not.

[OngBonga]

Bush had to contend with being accused of war crimes throughout most of his term.

Contend with? You make it sound like he was picked on. They were entirely justified accusations. The war on Iraq was based on lies, and then we have Extraordinary Rendition and torture. Guantanamo Bay got the headlines but there's Diego Garcia, too.

[TheSpoonald]

Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute

Are you telling me that McGahn was willing to quit his job rather than do something he couldn't do anyway?

You CNN'd yourself there bud.

[TheSpoonald]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.7838fdf34cac

Professional dumb person Max Boot thinks it's worth impeaching Trump just to leave a stain on his presidency.

Tell me Professor Boot, how will that help the middle class?

[Poopadoop]

Are you telling me that McGahn was willing to quit his job rather than do something he couldn't do anyway?

Reductio ad bananum. I never said anything like that.

I said Trump told McGahn to fire Mueller and McGahn said no.

Doesn't it ever get boring attributing things to people they never said?

[TheSpoonald]

Reductio ad bananum. I never said anything like that.

I said Trump told McGahn to fire Mueller and McGahn said no.

Doesn't it ever get boring attributing things to people they never said?

Actually McGahn said "no, and I'm going to quit if you try and make me"

How exactly that stopped Trump from firing Mueller is what I don't understand. McGahn has no power. He was just trying to keep himself out of the shitstorm that would inevitably follow such a move. That's just him making a smart career move. Let someone else sink in that swamp.

All Trump had to do was say "ok, then quit, or you're fired, or whatever, just get the fuck out so I can get someone else to do it"

Where are you getting that McGahn couldn't fire Mueller? More importantly, how does that show that Trump "tried to fire Mueller". That's what I'm not getting....if he tried....why did he fail? What stopped him? What thwarted him?

What you're really saying is that Trump came close to firing Mueller, and didn't. And I can't figure out why that make Trump a worse retard/criminal than anyone else in politics.

[Poopadoop]

Actually McGahn said "no, and I'm going to quit if you try and make me".

So, Trump didn't know McGahn didn't have the power to fire Mueller. So he tried to get Mueller fired, he just didn't insist on it to the point of firing anyone who refused to do it for him. So, his intention was to fire Mueller and he only backed off that intention when he dozily realised it would just make things worse.

why that make Trump a worse retard/criminal than anyone else in politics.

Because even I knew only Rosenstein could fire Mueller. And I'm not POTUS. What isn't retarded about that?

[TheSpoonald]

So, Trump didn't know McGahn didn't have the power to fire Mueller.

McGahn did. either directly, or indirectly through rosenstein. Have fun splitting that hair. If McGahn didn't have the power to do that....then he wouldn't threaten to resign rather than get involved. He could have just said "hey not my bag man, try someone else".

So he tried to get Mueller fired, he just didn't insist on it to the point of firing anyone who refused to do it for him.

So what you're saying is that he *could have* fired Mueller and didn't. Do you see how that's different than trying and failing?

So, his intention was to fire Mueller and he only backed off that intention when he dozily realised it would just make things worse.

So a President, under unfair attack, while sitting in the most stressful job in the universe decided had an unwise impulse but deferred to his counsel. And that's it. How many times did you have to put that through the spin cycle for it to sound like ORANGE MAN BAD

[TheSpoonald]

This is boring now. Let's change the subject.

Who can beat Trump in 2020? And how?

[oskar]

So basically all you want from the president to make democrats angry. You don't care about having open borders as long as it makes democrats angry?
And why would it make democrats angry? I know few democrats actually advocate for open borders, but I was under the impression that open borders make conservatives more angry than democrats. Do you actually want open borders now because you think that it would make democrats angry? And would it actually make them angry? More angry than conservatives?

[TheSpoonald]

So basically all you want from the president to make democrats angry.

That's a hugely glib interpretation of my position.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never once advocated for open borders, and it's certainly not something I support.

[oskar]

That's a hugely glib interpretation of my position.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never once advocated for open borders, and it's certainly not something I support.

What is taking immigrants into the country with no legal process to you? How is it different from open borders?

[TheSpoonald]

What is taking immigrants into the country with no legal process to you? How is it different from open borders?

I'm honestly not sure where the bolded part is coming from

An immigrant detained at teh border has to be held somewhere. We are currently running out of space. Current immigration policy has them identified, given a hearing date (that they skip), and allowed to roam free in America until they are apprehended again. That's the current legal process.

Instead of letting them go, or keeping them in a detention facility, Trump is proposing to offer them a bus ride to Oakland. What's your beef with that?

[Poopadoop]

Instead of letting them go, or keeping them in a detention facility, Trump is proposing to offer them a bus ride to Oakland. What's your beef with that?

I guess one objection might be that it's a childish and irresponsible way of dealing with his the shortcomings of his own immigration policy.

[oskar]

I'm honestly not sure where the bolded part is coming from

An immigrant detained at teh border has to be held somewhere. We are currently running out of space. Current immigration policy has them identified, given a hearing date (that they skip), and allowed to roam free in America until they are apprehended again. That's the current legal process.

Instead of letting them go, or keeping them in a detention facility, Trump is proposing to offer them a bus ride to Oakland. What's your beef with that?

I don't really have a beef with that. That's the thing. I feel utterly non-triggered by that suggestion, but it seems like a far left-ish proposal. How that would trigger dems is what I don't get. Trump has said on many occasions he wants to get rid of immigration judges. The proposal we're talking about would skip immigration court and put them straight on american mainland... just not in border cities. It's open borders a bus ride removed.

[Poopadoop]

I think he's saying Trump said, in effect, 'ok you libruls, you all wanted to ruin the country with open borders so I'm going to threaten to open them now like I reductio ad bananummed you saying, and when you protest the obviously stupid idea, you're going to look like hypocrites'.

Is that about it?

[TheSpoonald]

I think he's saying Trump said, in effect, 'ok you libruls, you all wanted to ruin the country with open borders so I'm going to threaten to open them now like I reductio ad bananummed you saying, and when you protest the obviously stupid idea, you're going to look like hypocrites'.

Is that about it?

No. I'm not sure where this "threatening to open the border" idea came from. As far as I know Trumps policy consideration relates to immigrants currently being held in over-burdened border detention facilities, and any other immigrants that might be detained between now and whenever the wall gets built.

I don't think he's talking about opening up the floodgates and just directing traffic towards San Francisco.

[Poopadoop]

No. I'm not sure where this "threatening to open the border" idea came from. As far as I know Trumps policy consideration relates to immigrants currently being held in over-burdened border detention facilities, and any other immigrants that might be detained between now and whenever the wall gets built.

I don't think he's talking about opening up the floodgates and just directing traffic towards San Francisco.

Right, so still don't get what the troll is then. Is it the D's fault they're detaining more people at the border than they have the capacity to house?

[TheSpoonald]

Is it the D's fault they're detaining more people at the border than they have the capacity to house?

Yes