*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[Poopadoop]

Yes

Care to elaborate?

[Poopadoop]

Ok lol. But why give them the free bus ride? Doesn't that cost money? Why not give them a free house with a chicken in the pot and car in the garage too?

It sounds kinda 'differently abled' if you ask me.

[Poopadoop]

Not 'getting rid of' in sense of 'ordering someone to fire them all', just not replacing ones who quit/retire. So far.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...s-hiring-pause

[TheSpoonald]

Ok lol. But why give them the free bus ride?

Why not? Isn't it moral to welcome immigrants warmly? Why not send them to the most open-minded and generous cities that we have? Wouldn't that be the humanitarian thing to do?

Again...who is the victim in that scenario? Why are Pelosi, and Schumer, and every sanctuary city mayor calling this policy "cruel"? What do they have against immigrants?

[Poopadoop]

Why not? Isn't it moral to welcome immigrants warmly? Why not send them to the most open-minded and generous cities that we have? Wouldn't that be the humanitarian thing to do?

Again...who is the victim in that scenario? Why are Pelosi, and Schumer, and every sanctuary city mayor calling this policy "cruel"? What do they have against immigrants?

I don't know why they'd call it 'cruel' - that doesn't make sense to me. It sounds stupid, but not cruel.

[TheSpoonald]

I don't know why they'd call it 'cruel'

Because they got trolled.

[oskar]

Because they got trolled.

So because you made something up that you think they'd say, they got trolled?

[Poopadoop]

Because they got trolled.

yeah, something isn't adding up here...

Pelosi referred to Trump's child separation policy as cruel. Did she say the same thing about bussing people to Oakland? What are you talking about here?

[Poopadoop]

Oh yeah well here's a clue:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's district was specifically targeted, according to the Post, noting that the White House wanted to transport migrants into her congressional district in San Francisco.

Ashley Etienne, a spokeswoman for Pelosi, called the proposal "despicable."

"The extent of this Administration’s cynicism and cruelty cannot be overstated," Etienne said in a statement. "Using human beings — including little children — as pawns in their warped game to perpetuate fear and demonize immigrants is despicable, and in some cases, criminal."

Rep. Mike Quigley, D-Ill., agreed.

"Immigrants are people. Not pawns to deploy in the President's petty political fights," Quigley said on Twitter. "@realDonaldTrump’s cruelty knows no limits."

Ok I mean their response is out of proportion as usual, but still it's a greasy move. And its a stupid idea.

[oskar]

I could give you sources but I'd just google "trump immigration judges" and give you the top results.
Currently they're detaining everyone who's waiting for an asylum hearing. What Trump is saying is going a step further than catch and release, but even if he walks it back to catch and release, then you're back to Obama policy. In what way is walking immigration laws back to how they were under Obama trolling the libs? What am I missing?

[TheSpoonald]

Currently they're detaining everyone who's waiting for an asylum hearing.

Until there is nowhere left to detain them. Which is the point we are at.

[TheSpoonald]

What am I missing?

You seem to be missing how the left collectively lost it's friggen shit over this. Cher had the best response of all, but she's an irrelevant hag so it's not that big of a deal. But Pelosi, and every democrat mayor from coast to coast all simultaneously had a stroke.

[oskar]

You'd have to ask them to clarify, but I'm reading this as: the notion that you can send human beings as punishment to "send a message to democrats" is cruel and inhumane.

[Poopadoop]

You'd have to ask them to clarify, but I'm reading this as: the notion that you can send human beings as punishment to "send a message to democrats" is cruel and inhumane.

Or maybe that he's using this threat as leverage to get money for his Wall.

[TheSpoonald]

Are there are lot of pure fentanyl overdoses? Or is heroin usually involved? Where does the heroin come from?

[oskar]

Are there are lot of pure fentanyl overdoses? Or is heroin usually involved? Where does the heroin come from?

Mostly through ports of entry.

[TheSpoonald]

Mostly through ports of entry.

How do you know that? who is measuring how much doesn't come through ports of entry?

You need to fix your facts. What you're trying to quote here, is the shallow and pedantic talking point that most drugs are "confiscated" at ports of entry. That's WAY different than saying "most drugs come through ports of entry".

That's like saying most drowning rescues occur where there are lifeguards. You can still drown in every other body of water!!

In other words...we seem to find drugs only in the places that we look, and we don't find drugs in the places we don't look.

And any quantification that seeks to use the word "MOST" is a propagandist fucking lie.

[Poopadoop]

How do you know that? who is measuring how much doesn't come through ports of entry? .

The same person who is measuring how much comes from which country?

[Poopadoop]

Are there are lot of pure fentanyl overdoses? Or is heroin usually involved? Where does the heroin come from?

Where do the needles come from they use to inject themselves? Try stopping immigration from those countries too.

Remember the war on drugs and how they were going to get Colombia to stop trafficking cocaine to the US? How did that plan work out?

[TheSpoonald]

Where do the needles come from they use to inject themselves?

Outreach volunteers in sanctuary cities. Isn't that fucking something??? They even have lounges where you can go and hang out while you wait for the heroin to wear off. All legal.

Remember the war on drugs and how they were going to get Colombia to stop trafficking cocaine to the US? How did that plan work out?

I don't know. I can get weed. I can get pills. I can get heroin. I have no idea where to get coke. So there's some anecdotal evidence of success. But I'm not sure I see your point. It sounds like you're saying that protecting your own country from an inflow of drugs is more effective than trying to prevent outflows of drugs from another country. So we agree.

[oskar]

Outreach volunteers in sanctuary cities. Isn't that fucking something??? They even have lounges where you can go and hang out while you wait for the heroin to wear off. All legal.

Stopping the aids epidemic is bad cause muh feelings!

[Poopadoop]

Outreach volunteers in sanctuary cities.

But what country are they produced in? Shouldnt something be done about it?

I don't know. I can get weed. I can get pills. I can get heroin. I have no idea where to get coke. So there's some anecdotal evidence of success. But I'm not sure I see your point.

Point is, people buy the cheapest drugs they can usually. Making coke more expensive by burning a few hectares of rainforest and killilng Escobar didn't stop people using drugs. And building a Wall isn't going to stop it either. And you know it.

[oskar]

Talking about the wall feels like talking about 9/11 truthers. I think everything has been said. Here's my final point... Would you take the following bet: You get to spend an arbitrary amount to build a wall. If I can scale the wall, you have to pay me the amount of money you spent on the wall. If I can't, I have to pay. Is that something you're comfortable with? Even if you trust your gut feeling more than data you get from the DEA... even in your fantasy scenario, a wall is horrendously cost ineffective.

[TheSpoonald]

Would you take the following bet: You get to spend an arbitrary amount to build a wall. If I can scale the wall, you have to pay me the amount of money you spent on the wall. If I can't, I have to pay. Is that something you're comfortable with?

10,000 percent yes. I'll even give you odds. What do you want, 20 to 1? 100 to 1? I honestly do not care what the number is.

You might have missed it, but US special forces (Navy Seals) spent THREE FUCKING WEEKS trying to breach wall prototypes with conventional tools/gear (everything short of rocket launchers), and they could not get over, under, around, or through the wall. Navy fucking Seals

Walls work.

[Poopadoop]

10,000 percent yes

Never heard of a rope and grappling hook I guess. You owe Oskar $20b

[TheSpoonald]

Never heard of a rope and grappling hook I guess. You owe Oskar $20b

Do some research on this. As I just mentioned...special forces spent three weeks trying this. In that entire time, among dozens of the most highly trained human specimens on earth, only one guy was able to get a grappling hook to stick on the top. Once...in three weeks of trying.

[Poopadoop]

You might have missed it, but US special forces (Navy Seals) spent THREE FUCKING WEEKS trying to breach wall prototypes with conventional tools/gear (everything short of rocket launchers), and they could not get over, under, around, or through the wall. Navy fucking Seals

you so funny.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8237631.html

[Poopadoop]

Apparently the impenetrable Wall isn't quite ready for mass production yet.

A Customs and Border Protection report on the tests had identified "strengths and flaws of each design but does not pick an overall winner or rank them, though it does point to see-through steel barriers topped by concrete as the best overall design," the AP reported.

[TheSpoonald]

Apparently the impenetrable Wall isn't quite ready for mass production yet.

All that quote seems to be saying is that it's really easy to build an effective wall, and no design is particularly superior.

[TheSpoonald]

you so funny.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8237631.html

Oh so it wasn't special forces, it was just regular military. My bad I guess. Nice fact check bro!! HIGH FIVE!!

But we're clear now....for three weeks "highly trained testers" did everything within reason to try and breach that wall. And they could not do so.

I'm willing to bet $20B that Oskar can't either.

[TheSpoonald]

even in your fantasy scenario, a wall is horrendously cost ineffective.

You know, for a guy who thinks that congress should rule omnipotently over all three branches of government, you seem unusually willing to dispense with democracy. Funny, but for some reason I doubt the sincerity of your fiscal concerns. I think you're opinion just morphs to whatever fits the narrative of ORANGE MAN BAD

Anyone citing cost has completely missed the point. A) It's a permanent solution, and nothing else is. and B) That's what America wants. America didn't vote for Trump because he promised fiscally responsible border policy. They voted for him because he promised to BUILD A FUCKING WALL.

It's the American people's job to decide what their money gets spent on, and they want a fucking wall.

[oskar]

They voted for him because he promised to BUILD A FUCKING WALL.

Is he building a wall though?

[Poopadoop]

Is he building a wall though?

No, but that's the democrat's fault ldo. Don't you remember when the Rs controlled the House and Senate for two years and he couldn't get approval for his Wall monies? That was all the Ds fault.

[TheSpoonald]

Is he building a wall though?

yeah

[Poopadoop]

Anyone citing cost has completely missed the point. A) It's a permanent solution, and nothing else is.

it's a permanent solution only if you couple it with an international band on hacksaws.

and B) That's what America wants. America didn't vote for Trump because he promised fiscally responsible border policy. They voted for him because he promised to BUILD A FUCKING WALL.

To be clear, he also promised it would be paid for by Mexico. So there's that little detail.

It's the American people's job to decide what their money gets spent on, and they want a fucking wall.

Do you? Maybe you should hold a Wallerendum.

[TheSpoonald]

it's a permanent solution only if you couple it with an international band on hacksaws..

Read your own links man. They tried that. For three weeks. Can't get through the wall.

[oskar]

Seriously, are you mentally challenged in some wall related way? The steel slat wall they're building. You can saw through that by hand. To get over you'd use a rope with a hook. Bring a blanket if there's barbed wire. If you just want to get fentanyl through, you'd probably put that in car tires and drive through, but in case you want to prove a point, you'd just throw it.

[Poopadoop]

The steel slat wall they're building. You can saw through that by hand.

Oh yeah I forgot about that lol.

[oskar]

I'm pretty sure he's just replacing existing fence.

[TheSpoonald]

I'm pretty sure he's just replacing existing fence.

With a wall!

[oskar]

This is a wall?

[TheSpoonald]

I mean, we can see a fishing boat entering US waters from a radar station 500 miles away. We don't wait until a boat gets to our shore to handle it's arrival. We see it coming first.

You're telling me we won't see some mexicans marching through the desert with a 20 foot ladder???

[Poopadoop]

This is a wall?

Looks to me like you could get fentanyl through that wall. How's that going to stop the drugs trade?

[Poopadoop]

Are you going to drag a ladder all the way from Guatamela to get over a wall?

[TheSpoonald]

I'm not sure what your point is. They have to all sit on the top until the last person gets up. Then all climb down the other side. Good luck not getting spotted by a drone or motion sensor, or camera in that time.

A family with kids couldn't get over that wall. Someone transporting a cadre of sex slave prostitutes will have a hell of a time getting over that wall. Anyone traveling alone/discreetly (like a heroin smuggler) can't get over that wall.

Works for me.

[Poopadoop]

Anyone traveling alone/discreetly (like a heroin smuggler) can't get over that wall.

No, but two heroin smugglers could.

[TheSpoonald]

No, but two heroin smugglers could.

Right, because if you're not trying to attract attention.....carry a 20 foot ladder through the desert towards an international border.

[oskar]

Right, because if you're not trying to attract attention.....carry a 20 foot ladder through the desert towards an international border.

Where do you think the picture was taken? If you just google border wall, a lot of pictures will have people sitting on it. I didn't go look for that picture, it was the first result.

[TheSpoonald]

Where do you think the picture was taken? If you just google border wall, a lot of pictures will have people sitting on it. I didn't go look for that picture, it was the first result.

And how many of those people are apprehended as a result of the delay caused by the 18 foot steel obstacle in their way.

That pic still shows those people in Mexico.

[Poopadoop]

One of these and a parachute and you win the bet.

[oskar]

How thick do you think these steel beams are? A cutting torch goes through steel pretty quick. A hacksaw, maybe an hour. So is your patrol going to cover every inch of the wall every hour?

You'd use cutting wire. Every demolition company has a wire cutting machine - they aren't high tech or prohibitively expensive, but these beams are thin enough that you could do it by hand in a couple of hours. You'd just need the wire and leave the machine at home.

I'm not sure what your point is. They have to all sit on the top until the last person gets up. Then all climb down the other side. Good luck not getting spotted by a drone or motion sensor, or camera in that time.

A family with kids couldn't get over that wall. Someone transporting a cadre of sex slave prostitutes will have a hell of a time getting over that wall. Anyone traveling alone/discreetly (like a heroin smuggler) can't get over that wall.

Works for me.

If you already have surveillance, why do you need a wall? That was the democrats proposal. Use modern technology. Trump said: NOTHING BUT A BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL.

[TheSpoonald]

you could do it by hand in a couple of hours.

A couple of hours x 2. You'd have the cut the top and bottom of the pole in order get a body through. That plus you'd have to get to to the wall undetected in the first place.

Or...we can just let them run across the sand when we're not looking.

Which do you think will be more effective??

If you already have surveillance, why do you need a wall? That was the democrats proposal. Use modern technology. Trump said: NOTHING BUT A BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL.

The walls ARE surveillance. They have the sensors that go off when one of the bars is cut. They have the sensors that go off when someone tries to dig a tunnel.

And we've already talked about this....the wall is permanent....so even if you remove all the surveillance, your average immigrant and/or drug/smuggler is still gonna have a bitch of a time getting over an 18 foot steel wall.

[oskar]

All your ideas why a wall would work have nothing to do with the wall. If they see them coming, you didn't need a wall. If they don't see them coming, a wall won't stop them.

[TheSpoonald]

All your ideas why a wall would work have nothing to do with the wall. If they see them coming, you didn't need a wall. If they don't see them coming, a wall won't stop them.

It really doesn't matter if some dispatcher in a CBP station 40 miles away sees some people running through the desert or reads that a sensor was tripped. By the time he gets there, the immigrants are gone.

But then again, if those immigrants are delayed by a multi-hour cutting project, or even by 15-45 minutes it might take to get a half dozen people over a ladder, then their apprehension becomes a million times easier.

[oskar]

How is a ladder not a "conventional tool or method"

[TheSpoonald]

How is a ladder not a "conventional tool or method"

The prototypes tested were 12 feet taller than the walls in your pic. I think that ladder is at its limit

[oskar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico...States_barrier
26 feet at its highest

26 foot ladder:
https://www.homedepot.com/b/Building...vZasewZ1z19wc9

[oskar]

12 WHOLE FEETSIES? OH MY LORD! I DID NOT SEE THAT ONE COMING.

THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING

[TheSpoonald]

It changes alot. A 20 foot ladder weights about 25-30lbs. A 40 foot ladder weighs almost 90 lbs.

Also, the prototypes being tested, at least the ones that I saw, had rounded/polished tops. So even if you got to the top of the wall, you had no way to perch yourself on top long enough and securely enough to pull the ladder over.

[TheSpoonald]

What I find tremendously funny Oskar, is that you sincerely believe that a for-profit construction company.... successful enough, and well run enough to be on the government's approved vendor list......would submit a prototype that is susceptible to something as simple as a really tall ladder.

They thought of that. Thanks for your expertise bud.

[oskar]

Can you explain to me what you see in this image:

[TheSpoonald]

Can you explain to me what you see in this image:

I see a tiny group of immigrants having a bitch of a time making five feet of longitudinal progress.

I also see a wall that's too short and needs about $25B in renovations.

What exactly is your point?

[oskar]

How high is the Trump wall?

[TheSpoonald]

How high is the Trump wall?

30 feet not counting several feet underground.

12 feet taller than the barrier in that picture.

[Poopadoop]

Oh shit. At first I thought it said 'fentanyl', not fireball.

Never mind then.

[oskar]

This thing is sick as fuck!

[TheSpoonald]

This thing is sick as fuck!

Fuck the bus ride! We can probably just use that to launch a mexican from Tijuana to Oakland

I'm now officially for open borders, provided that every immigrant arrive via trebuchet.

[oskar]

30 feet not counting several feet underground.

I didn't catch that the first time. Why would you measure underground? XD

[TheSpoonald]

I didn't catch that the first time. Why would you measure underground? XD

Because shovels are a thing. They're easier to carry than ladders.

[oskar]

But they haven't built any of it yet, right? Besides the prototypes.
I mean... doesn't change a whole lot: https://www.amazon.com/Extension-Lad...11&s=hi&sr=1-3

Also, the prototypes being tested, at least the ones that I saw, had rounded/polished tops. So even if you got to the top of the wall, you had no way to perch yourself on top long enough and securely enough to pull the ladder over.

You can't seriously believe that. Impossible to lift 90lb? - the one I linked is 75lb

[TheSpoonald]

But they haven't built any of it yet, right? Besides the prototypes.

Right. Still not seeing your point?

I think voters should hold Trump accountable for failing on that campaign promise. It's going to be a challenge for him in 2020. But if Dems are just going to run around shrieking about the hoax that is climate change or a fake narrative about white-supremacy, they make it easy for him.

The wall isn't built because the Republicans, led by Paul Ryan, were able to convince Trump to focus on tax reform and kick the can down the road on the wall. Now the dems control the house and are being obstructionist douchebags. That's fine....voters should hold them accountable for that too.

By the way though, he did get the tax thing done, along with two supreme court judges and prison reform.

[oskar]

Right.

Im ded

[TheSpoonald]

You can't seriously believe that. Impossible to lift 90lb? - the one I linked is 75lb

Believe what? That carrying 90lbs through the desert is a fuckton harder than carrying 30lbs? Yeah, I believe that.

Or are you shocked that I believe there is such a thing as a wall structure that deters ladders as a viable form of breach?

[oskar]

Believe what? That carrying 90lbs through the desert is a fuckton harder than carrying 30lbs? Yeah, I believe that.

Or are you shocked that I believe there is such a thing as a wall structure that deters ladders as a viable form of breach?

So you think it's smart to spend 16+ billion - not including maintenance, to slightly inconvenience some Hondurans and possibly even make them carry a 60lb heavier ladder? Not that I believe it's 30ft before any of it has been built.

[oskar]

Oh shit. At first I thought it said 'fentanyl', not fireball.

Never mind then.

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