*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[oskar]

Talking about the wall feels like talking about 9/11 truthers. I think everything has been said. Here's my final point... Would you take the following bet: You get to spend an arbitrary amount to build a wall. If I can scale the wall, you have to pay me the amount of money you spent on the wall. If I can't, I have to pay. Is that something you're comfortable with? Even if you trust your gut feeling more than data you get from the DEA... even in your fantasy scenario, a wall is horrendously cost ineffective.

[TheSpoonald]

Would you take the following bet: You get to spend an arbitrary amount to build a wall. If I can scale the wall, you have to pay me the amount of money you spent on the wall. If I can't, I have to pay. Is that something you're comfortable with?

10,000 percent yes. I'll even give you odds. What do you want, 20 to 1? 100 to 1? I honestly do not care what the number is.

You might have missed it, but US special forces (Navy Seals) spent THREE FUCKING WEEKS trying to breach wall prototypes with conventional tools/gear (everything short of rocket launchers), and they could not get over, under, around, or through the wall. Navy fucking Seals

Walls work.

[Poopadoop]

10,000 percent yes

Never heard of a rope and grappling hook I guess. You owe Oskar $20b

[TheSpoonald]

Never heard of a rope and grappling hook I guess. You owe Oskar $20b

Do some research on this. As I just mentioned...special forces spent three weeks trying this. In that entire time, among dozens of the most highly trained human specimens on earth, only one guy was able to get a grappling hook to stick on the top. Once...in three weeks of trying.

[Poopadoop]

You might have missed it, but US special forces (Navy Seals) spent THREE FUCKING WEEKS trying to breach wall prototypes with conventional tools/gear (everything short of rocket launchers), and they could not get over, under, around, or through the wall. Navy fucking Seals

you so funny.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8237631.html

[Poopadoop]

Apparently the impenetrable Wall isn't quite ready for mass production yet.

A Customs and Border Protection report on the tests had identified "strengths and flaws of each design but does not pick an overall winner or rank them, though it does point to see-through steel barriers topped by concrete as the best overall design," the AP reported.

[TheSpoonald]

Apparently the impenetrable Wall isn't quite ready for mass production yet.

All that quote seems to be saying is that it's really easy to build an effective wall, and no design is particularly superior.

[Poopadoop]

All that quote seems to be saying is that it's really easy to build an effective wall, and no design is particularly superior.

The quote says each design has weaknesses (i.e., none are impregnable, presumably even by people without special skills/equipment). The best design was the steel slats, but get a cutting torch and a tank of acetylene and Oskar is $20b richer.

It doesn't say whether the "best" design is also $20k per foot either. So it doesn't really seem settled.

[Poopadoop]

“Only once did a tester manage to land a hook on top of the wall without help,” the AP reported, according to one source.

This is a bit ambiguous. What kind of "help?" It could have just been another guy helping him throw it.

[TheSpoonald]

but get a cutting torch and a tank of acetylene and Oskar is $20b richer.

Right...like it's just that easy. You could chip at it with a teaspoon and eventually break through if you were persistent enough. Didn't you see Shawshank?? The idea that you could cut through and make any meaningful breach of the border quickly enough to not get caught is just preposterous.

The wall prototypes can't be climbed over. They can't be breached quickly enough to avoid detection. they have sensors that can identify underground tunnelling. If those sensors go 20 ft deep....I guess you could dig a tunnel 30feet deep. But then you've really got a deterrent there.

Would you take your kids for miles through an underground tunnel, 30ft down, dug discreetly by criminals?? How bad would shit have to be in guatemala before you tried that?

[TheSpoonald]

you so funny.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8237631.html

Oh so it wasn't special forces, it was just regular military. My bad I guess. Nice fact check bro!! HIGH FIVE!!

But we're clear now....for three weeks "highly trained testers" did everything within reason to try and breach that wall. And they could not do so.

I'm willing to bet $20B that Oskar can't either.

[TheSpoonald]

even in your fantasy scenario, a wall is horrendously cost ineffective.

You know, for a guy who thinks that congress should rule omnipotently over all three branches of government, you seem unusually willing to dispense with democracy. Funny, but for some reason I doubt the sincerity of your fiscal concerns. I think you're opinion just morphs to whatever fits the narrative of ORANGE MAN BAD

Anyone citing cost has completely missed the point. A) It's a permanent solution, and nothing else is. and B) That's what America wants. America didn't vote for Trump because he promised fiscally responsible border policy. They voted for him because he promised to BUILD A FUCKING WALL.

It's the American people's job to decide what their money gets spent on, and they want a fucking wall.

[oskar]

They voted for him because he promised to BUILD A FUCKING WALL.

Is he building a wall though?

[Poopadoop]

Is he building a wall though?

No, but that's the democrat's fault ldo. Don't you remember when the Rs controlled the House and Senate for two years and he couldn't get approval for his Wall monies? That was all the Ds fault.

[TheSpoonald]

Is he building a wall though?

yeah

[Poopadoop]

Anyone citing cost has completely missed the point. A) It's a permanent solution, and nothing else is.

it's a permanent solution only if you couple it with an international band on hacksaws.

and B) That's what America wants. America didn't vote for Trump because he promised fiscally responsible border policy. They voted for him because he promised to BUILD A FUCKING WALL.

To be clear, he also promised it would be paid for by Mexico. So there's that little detail.

It's the American people's job to decide what their money gets spent on, and they want a fucking wall.

Do you? Maybe you should hold a Wallerendum.

[TheSpoonald]

it's a permanent solution only if you couple it with an international band on hacksaws..

Read your own links man. They tried that. For three weeks. Can't get through the wall.