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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    This may be surprising, but I am against Trump's work on immigration with regards to the southern border.
    It's not surprising you don't blindly support everything he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Interesting. So why do you oppose Trump's anti-immigration policy?
    I think he lost me when he came down the escalator, said a bunch of racist stuff, and started talking about building a Wall that Mexico would pay for. Even if you can dispute whether what he said was actually racist (I think it was but w/e), the Mexico-paying part sounded really, really dumb.

    Muslim ban didn't exactly strike me as a wise step either, given most terrorist acts (I include mass murders here as terror - e.g., school shootings) in the US are committed by native-born loonies, not foreign loonies of any particular religion. Secondarily, it also seemed to go directly against a core ethos of the US which has been, historically, the welcoming of immigrants and diversity, which made me think it was not an expression of the majority's will.
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    I think he lost me when he came down the escalator, said a bunch of racist stuff, and started talking about building a Wall that Mexico would pay for.
    I didn't give a fuck about this at all. I don't care if he builds a wall or not. I don't care who pays for it, so long as it's not the UK.

    the Mexico-paying part sounded really, really dumb.
    Sounded to me like he was trying to appeal to his voters in the South. And it sounded to me like he meant they would pay for it economically, not by writing out a cheque.

    Muslim ban didn't exactly strike me as a wise step either, given most terrorist acts...
    You may find this surprising, but people who oppose Islamic immigration do not tend to oppose it based on fear of terrorism. It's usually based on the nature of the religion, the way they treat women and homosexuals, and perhaps a fear of their culture replacing ours over a long period of time.

    the welcoming of immigrants and diversity
    You should run for Mayor of London.

    which made me think it was not an expression of the majority's will.
    How ironic that the "majority's will" is an important factor in your position here. You know what I'm getting at here, don't you?
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    given most terrorist acts (I include mass murders here as terror - e.g., school shootings) in the US are committed by native-born loonies
    Per capita, it goes to Muslims.
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    From the transcript:
    What you have here is an example of how politics actually works. Politicians say whatever they feel will win them votes. Both of these men are concerned about one thing... image.

    Further, how does one country pay another 'economically'?
    Tariffs and sanctions are examples of how nations pay economically against their will. The more dominant economy will always prevail in such situations Maybe that hasn't happened, but it's a means.

    If you ask most anti-Muslims in the US why they feel that way, the answer will include 'terrorism' as reasons 1, 2 and 3.
    Well I wouldn't know this, and I don't see how you would either. Have you asked a large sample of Americans? I know why I oppose Islamic immigration, and I don't get the sense that here in the UK, terrorism is a huge concern.

    The majority's will is not a static thing. A small majority supported lots of things at one time and not three years later. A lot of elections have proven that.
    How silly of me to forget that you are in favour of perpetual uncertainty.
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    Combine harvester..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Tariffs and sanctions are examples of how nations pay economically against their will. The more dominant economy will always prevail in such situations Maybe that hasn't happened, but it's a means.
    What generally happens in these situations is the more dominant country suffers economically, it just suffers less than the less dominant country.

    It's like a boxing match. You can beat up someone smaller than you, but you don't get their health given to you. You still end up with bruises.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Well I wouldn't know this, and I don't see how you would either.
    I have a better idea of North American culture than you, that's how.



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    How silly of me to forget that you are in favour of perpetual uncertainty.
    Take it to the 'arrrruggghggh!' thread, Brexit Boy.
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    If that's true, then I agree it's fucked up.

    No need to keep repeating it like anyone here is all, "That is a perfectly reasonable state of affairs."
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    Combine harvester..
    I don't have an argument so I'll say something random.

    What generally happens in these situations is the more dominant country suffers economically, it just suffers less than the less dominant country.
    Are you an economist?

    It's like a boxing match. You can beat up someone smaller than you, but you don't get their health given to you. You still end up with bruises.
    Another piss poor analogy.

    I have a better idea of North American culture than you, that's how.
    You may well do. But then again you might be making assumptions that are not correct. When did you last spend time in North America? And does a Canadian understand American culture? I wouldn't pretend to know more about the French than, say, spoon, just because I was born in a nation closer to France than he was.

    Take it to the 'arrrruggghggh!' thread, Brexit Boy.
    You know, you haven't once even tried to answer this point, and that's because you're incapable of doing so. You're of the opinion than perpetual uncertainty is worse than Brexit itself. It's not. I mean, given a straight up choice... do we vote on this every 3-4 years, or remain in the EU, remaining would be far more preferable. Uncertainty is bad for business, bad for society. Business cannot adapt to new economic landscapes if that landscape might change again quickly.

    If you're going to promote another referendum after 3 years based on "people change their minds", then in order to be intellectually honest and consistent, you have to accept that we'll need another vote after another few years, regardless of the result. And then another one after another few years. That is what I mean by perpetual uncertainty. It simply is not an option. If you sincerely think it is, then you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I don't have an argument so I'll say something random.
    You: Why don't you like Trump's immigration policy?

    Me: Among other things, he said Mexico would pay for the Wall. That's just dumb.

    You: Trump didn't mean Mexico would actually pay for the Wall directly, just 'economically'.

    Me: What do you mean 'economically'? How is that even possible? Oh and btw, Trump tried to make Mexico pay for the Wall. Here's the proof.

    You: That's politics. It's all about image.

    Me: Combine harvester.

    You: You answered my non-sequitur with another non-sequitur!



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Another piss poor analogy.

    Explain how it's wrong. Economics is not a zero-sum game. Better yet, answer the original question and explain how one country can make another 'pay economically' for its civil construction project.


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You may well do. But then again you might be making assumptions that are not correct. When did you last spend time in North America? And does a Canadian understand American culture?
    Canadians and Americans have a similar culture. Canadians are exposed to American media. So yeah, I definitely understand American culture better than you.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I wouldn't pretend to know more about the French than, say, spoon, just because I was born in a nation closer to France than he was.
    If you don't know more about France than a random American you must be pretty clueless. And, neither he nor Mojo has jumped up to say I'm wrong. So maybe I am better informed than you.




    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You know, you haven't once even tried to answer this point, and that's because you're incapable of doing so.
    Maybe I don't see any value in talking to someone who doesn't want to listen, but would rather just keep saying the same things over and over and over ad nauseum. Like I said, it's boring.
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    Me: Combine harvester.
    Forgive me if your reference to the combine harvester is completely going over my head.

    You: Trump didn't mean Mexico would actually pay for the Wall directly, just 'economically'.
    Well done for missing out the bit where I said he was trying to appeal to some of his vote base.

    Explain how it's wrong.
    I'm not an economist. What I can tell you is that economics is not boxing. You throw out an analogy that relates the two... that exchanging tariffs is akin to trading punches. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's like playing chess and sacrificing the bishop for a positional advantage. I can do crap analogies,too.

    Better yet, answer the original question and explain how one country can make another 'pay economically' for its civil construction project.
    By taxing them more for their imports, aka tariffs. I might not be an economist, but I can figure out that more tax means more money. If Mexico strike back with return tariffs, then USA strikes back again. The larger economy will always win this battle, because the smaller economy is more reliant on bilateral trade. America doesn't need to sell stuff to Mexico, but Mexico does need to sell stuff to USA.

    Maybe, I really don't know. I'm not an economist, and neither are you. You can tell me I'm wrong, and I might be. But you don't know I'm wrong, you're just assuming so.

    Canadians and Americans have a similar culture. Canadians are exposed to American media. So yeah, I definitely understand American culture better than you.
    Did you just say the C-word? Dirty. So it's about culture, not geography? Fine. USA and UK have similar cultures too. There are differences, just like there are differences between Canadian and US culture, or indeed Canadian and UK culture.

    You might well be right, maybe USA are more worried about terrorism than how woman and homosexuals are treated, or the dilution of their culture. I'm not taking your word for it though.

    If you don't know more about France than a random American you must be pretty clueless. And, neither he nor Mojo has jumped up to say I'm wrong. So maybe I am better informed than you.
    I'm not obsessed with French culture, so I wouldn't expect to know more about France than any random from any western country. Apart from perhaps geography. I probably know where towns and cities in France are better than Americans do.

    You probably know more about French culture than I do, considering you come from a country that has a lot of French-speaking people.

    Maybe I don't see any value in talking to someone who doesn't want to listen, but would rather just keep saying the same things over and over and over ad nauseum. Like I said, it's boring.
    Nice. Accuse me of not listening while continually ignoring probably the most important reason why we can't keep voting on EU membership.

    You're the one with fingers in ears on this matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post

    By taxing them more for their imports, aka tariffs.
    That doesn't explain how this amounts to taking money from the other country. The tariffs are paid for by the consumers in the US, not the producers in the other country.


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    If Mexico strike back with return tariffs, then USA strikes back again. The larger economy will always win this battle, because the smaller economy is more reliant on bilateral trade. America doesn't need to sell stuff to Mexico, but Mexico does need to sell stuff to USA.
    That's why the US would suffer less from a trade war than Mexico, correct. That's not an explanation for how the US would get money from Mexico for the Wall 'economically'.


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    I'm not an economist,
    lol no shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Nice. Accuse me of not listening while continually ignoring probably the most important reason why we can't keep voting on EU membership.


    I've already answered this at least three times. Sorry if you don't like the answer.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You're the one with fingers in ears on this matter.
    That's right. I'm not going to keep having the same argument over and over. Try to move on with your life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    What I can tell you is that economics is not boxing.
    I'm really glad I wasn't being paid to teach you about logical analogies because you are the kind of person who would rather argue with facts than learn something.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Maybe it's like playing chess and sacrificing the bishop for a positional advantage.
    So in your analogy, making a country 'pay economically' involves sacrificing something of lesser value in a zero sum game?

    Do you get extra points at the end of the chess match for having more material? If so, that analogy would make more sense. It would still not support your argument, but at least it would hew to the standards of logic.



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    I can do invalid logical analogies.
    fyp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo
    I don't know anyone who puts national culture on so high a pedestal as he does.
    The crazy thing is, it's not on that high a pedestal. I mean, I'm not particularly proud to be English. But that doesn't mean I want to see English culture slowly diluted and cast into history, replaced with a more oppressive one. And then I see people talk about culture like it's a dirty word. There are lots of cultures in the world, many better than ours, and they should be cherished, too.

    Maybe this is 'cause I'm American, and if there's one thing we aren't insecure about, it's our culture.
    Your population is much larger than ours. It'll be a lot longer before the dilution of American culture is such a problem for you.
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    In the South, there's this old, classic joke that I think could be repurposed for OngBonga. I'll present it in its original form:

    Do you know what the difference is between a Yankee and a damn Yankee?

    A Yankee comes down to visit. A damn Yankee comes down and stays.
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    What am I supposed to be speaking on behalf of all Americans about?
    That poopy said Americans are more concerned about Islamic terrorism than a loss of American culture to Islamic immigrants?

    That sounds right to me. Ong's sense of the importance of culture is really weird to me. I don't know anyone who puts national culture on so high a pedestal as he does. Maybe this is 'cause I'm American, and if there's one thing we aren't insecure about, it's our culture.

    You got fancy little bread rolls? What do you call them? Croissant? Nice. We'll take those.
    You make tasty noodles and spicey foods? Awesome. Please setup a dozen restaurants in every city.
    You have a cute accent? Please read us our news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    That poopy said Americans are more concerned about Islamic terrorism than a loss of American culture to Islamic immigrants?

    That sounds right to me. Ong's sense of the importance of culture is really weird to me.
    8...9...10

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    So in boxing, do you ever stop boxing and just shake hands, say let's not punch the shit out of each other and be friends?

    I told you I can do shit analogies too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    So in boxing,
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    lol, ok.
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    So Ong, are you going to admit that:

    1. Trump actually intended Mexico to pay up front for the Wall; and

    2. You can't explain how one country could pay for another country's building project 'economically' through tariffs or whatever else you vaguely remember Wuf saying before he went over to r_thedonald full time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    1. Trump actually intended Mexico to pay up front for the Wall; and
    It was a campaign line that got him elected. That was its only purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    It was a campaign line that got him elected. That was its only purpose.
    Yeah, like "lock her up".

    I don't think anyone seriously thought that was really going to happen.
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    lol, and people are still contributing to this after the guy got caught buying himself a yacht. Lmfao at these retards.

    https://uk.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall

    Oh wait,they claim to have built 2300 feet of wall now. So what only 4999.6 miles to go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    It was a campaign line that got him elected. That was its only purpose.
    If that were the case, Pena would not have been on the phone with him explicitly repeating 'we're not paying for your Wall, Mr. President.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    If that were the case, Pena would not have been on the phone with him explicitly repeating 'we're not paying for your Wall, Mr. President.'
    Pena is a politician as well. He's also not the brightest crayon in the box, bless his heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Pena is a politician as well. He's also not the brightest crayon in the box, bless his heart.
    Seriously thinking about starting a thread where people reply to every previous post with a non-sequitur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    It was a campaign line that got him elected. That was its only purpose.
    I'll elaborate on this point a bit here instead of putting in an edit that will probably be missed due to new posts. I have two things to say, one of which is from a strategic heaven/"above the fray" perspective and the other of which is on a policy/action level.

    ........

    On a strategic heaven/"above the fray" level:

    If we look at the primaries alone, Trump beat out 12+ of the top candidates that the Republican Party had to offer despite having virtually no experience with politics. What he does have the most experience with is marketing, and that is what he used to win.

    The entire group of Republican names he was against were as boring as watching paint dry. None of them would have rallied the base sufficiently to beat Hillary Clinton, who was by far the most prolific politician in the entire race and probably the most prolific US politician of our time (possibly of the entire history of the country) to never win a presidential race.

    No matter what people think of his policies (or lack thereof), there is no denying that his win was absolutely impressive.

    ........

    On a policy/action level:

    For me personally, I love how much the MAGA agenda triggers the fuck out of people and makes them go absolutely insane. I will play this up to a tremendous degree because I enjoy the responses it gets.

    All of that aside, Trump won because of the policy he put forward and represented having on immigration. The so-called "Muslim ban" was a good step in the direction of following what he's said with action, but it pretty much stopped there.

    The people who voted for Trump, in general, want a much stricter set of criteria used for accepting refugees, federal funding cut for sanctuary cities, a wall built, illegal immigrants rounded up and deported. He was the first person to really tackle the immigration issue head-on in his campaign, and that focus combined with what I wrote above on a strategic level are why he won.

    The problem is that he has dropped the ball in terms of action. Republicans had the thing locked up, and it was never pressed like it should have been.

    If he loses reelection, then it will primarily be because the base doesn't show up because of the lack of action on the immigration issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    No matter what people think of his policies (or lack thereof), there is no denying that his win was absolutely impressive.
    It's actually more impressive that Hillary managed to lose to him, given how unpopular he was. You can argue that Hillary was a really strong candidate because she was 'prolific' (whatever you mean by that, I guess 'high profile, experienced?'), but aside from that she had nothing. No new ideas, barely dragged herself out in public, spent half the time she was in public fainting or rolling her eyes at balloons.

    A fairly large proportion of people who voted for her weren't thinking 'yay Hillary' but instead 'boo Trump.' That would certainly have been my sentiment had I been a voter.

    And a lot of people who voted for Trump also would have voted for anyone who wasn't Hillary, including Bernie.

    The 2016 election was like no other in recent history inasmuch as it was basically an unpopularity contest, and Hillary won by a few thousand votes in the rust belt. Trump made it close by being Trump, but seriously, anyone decent could have beat either Hillary or Trump to a pulp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post

    For me personally, I love how much the MAGA agenda triggers the fuck out of people and makes them go absolutely insane. I will play this up to a tremendous degree because I enjoy the responses it gets.
    You send any halfway controversial message to enough people and at least 5% of them will freak out. But then again, 5% of people will lose their shit playing a MMORPG too. There's probably some gene that controls that lol.
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    And in case you didn't read that link I posted, here's Trump directly telling Nieto Mexico has to pay for the Wall.

    The only thing I will ask you though is on the wall, you and I both have a political problem. My people stand up and say, “Mexico will pay for the wall” and your people probably say something in a similar but slightly different language. But the fact is we are both in a little bit of a political bind because I have to have Mexico pay for the wall – I have to. I have been talking about it for a two year period, and the reason I say they are going to pay for the wall is because Mexico has made a fortune out of the stupidity of U.S. trade representatives. They are beating us at trade and they are beating us at the border, and they are killing us with drugs. Now I know you are not involved with that, but regardless of who is making all the money, billions and billions and billions – some people say more – is being made on drug trafficking that is coming through Mexico. Some people say that the business of drug trafficking is bigger than the business of taking our factory jobs. So what I would like to recommend is – if we are going to have continued dialogue – we will work out the wall. They are going to say, “who is going to pay for the wall, Mr. President?” to both of us, and we should both say, “we will work it out.” It will work out in the formula somehow. As opposed to you saying, “we will not pay” and me saying, “we will not pay.”

    Because you and I are both at a point now where we are both saying we are not to pay for the wall. From a political standpoint, that is what we will say. We cannot say that anymore because if you are going to say that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then I do not want to meet with you guys anymore because I cannot live with that.
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    1. Of course he didn't expect Mexico to pay up front. What Trump actually meant is anyone's guess. Why do you care? I don't. It's of no consequence to me. That's why I pay it little attention, and that's why I wasn't aware of conversations he had with Pablo.

    2. You think I remember what wuf was blabbering about? I can tell you that trade and economics is in neither of our areas of expertise.I think I have a better idea of how politicians work though. You expect honesty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    1. Why do you care? I don't.
    Back when the convo started I said it was a dumb thing to say, that Mexico would pay for the Wall. And you said 'hurr durr, he meant economically.' And now you're busted and you're saying 'hurr durr I don't care'. lol, whatever man.


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    2. No, I can't explain that. However,

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    He's on the phone with Nieto and the first thing Pena says is 'we're not paying for the Wall.' So obviously the question had come up before.
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    btw, if being prolific was important to being elected POTUS, there's a lot of people who should never have won their election - e.g., Obama.
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    I'm halfway hoping Kamala Harris gets the D nomination now just to watch her completely wipe the debate floor with Trump's fat orange ass. She wouldn't just sit there and smirk and be all 'oh Donald' like Hillary was, she'd fucking take him apart lol.
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    Oh yes, the ol, "He's stupided his way into the White House," line.
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    And anyways, let's say Trump is really being a master negotiator in that convo, and poor stupid Pena is just falling for it by refusing to sign a cheque for the Wall. What's the endgame supposed to be here? Where is the great deal that America got from that? Congress still hasn't ratified the USMCA, and probably won't now the Ds control the house. Fucking pointless.
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    More like he conned his way into the WH.

    He is stupid in nearly every single way excepting marketing.

    Or maybe you think he smarted his way into losiing a billion dollars in ten years.
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    Build a Wall! Make America pay for it!

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/londo...avan-1.5195399

    Insulin prices in the United States nearly doubled to an average annual cost of $5,705 US in 2016 from $2,864 in 2012, according to a study in January.

    Quinn Nystrom, a leader of T1International's Minnesota chapter, said in May that the price in the U.S. of insulin per vial was $320 US, while in Canada the same medication under a different name was $30.
    That is fucking ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Build a Wall! Make America pay for it!

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/londo...avan-1.5195399



    That is fucking ridiculous.
    All the while the Coca Cola Company makes sure demand for insulin in the US remains high af.
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    On one hand it is ridiculous to have the free market do its thing with drugs that people need to live... on the other hand, americans... do we need 'em?
    I am starting to warm up to Kamala Harris. Not only will she wipe the debate floor with Trump, but she also won't do shit about healthcare. So you get a cool american president, but also lots of dead americans from preventable causes. So it's a win-win!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    On one hand it is ridiculous to have the free market do its thing with drugs that people need to live... on the other hand, americans... do we need 'em?
    I am starting to warm up to Kamala Harris. Not only will she wipe the debate floor with Trump, but she also won't do shit about healthcare. So you get a cool american president, but also lots of dead americans from preventable causes. So it's a win-win!
    Orange man bad. Also, haha dead Americans. What's the opposite of virtue signalling, where you show the world your deep personality flaws while judging others?
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    Trump's got more important things to do than address healthcare, like triggering libs on social media. Priorities!

    lol, bringing up Wuf today reminded me of that time before the election when he was quoting that Dilbert guy as saying something like Trump tries to look bad on purpose so when he starts acting normal he'll look great by comparison. I guess he's still waiting for the right moment to execute part 2 of that plan lol.
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    I believe I have been staunchly consistent on this. I prefer the people responsible for a fatal stupidity to be the victims of that stupidity. If there was a way to take the fatalities caused by american missiles in Yemen and transfer that death toll to the US, I'd play that card faster than you could say 'Isn't that still genocide!'

    You can argue about the morals of this, but I don't think it's flawed in the sense that it is consistent with my moral philosophy.

    You also seem to think that ones moral outrage about a thing ought to be informed by ones proximity to it. I don't think you've explained why.
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    I was wondering when this would happen after her performance in the debate.

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    https://twitter.com/ScottHech/status...090443776?s=20

    I would love to know what republicans would think of this if roles were reversed. Some men are emotional wrecks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    https://twitter.com/ScottHech/status...090443776?s=20

    I would love to know what republicans would think of this if roles were reversed. Some men are emotional wrecks.
    It's good politics to not let someone break the rules just because they're a woman with a sob story about some guy who was homeless for decades being glad he got welfare.
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    What does that even mean? She was playing the black card to describe why busing was a personal issue for her, which Biden opposed and she got Biden to stumble into saying he merely supported states rights. *slow clap*
    And that was somehow illegitimate because she's not the right kind of black? Wut?

    Oh yeah, and we got Trump saying “Well, [busing is] something that they’ve done for a long period of time. You know, there aren’t that many ways you’re going to get people to schools… It is certainly a primary method of getting people to schools,”
    I didn't know what busing was when I heard her say it, but it was clear from the context that it was different from my understanding, so I googled it, and 30 seconds later I knew what she was talking about. How can you say that this man is not retarded? How does a non-retarded person think that Harris was just being weirdly invested in riding on the bus?
    That and thinking that "western liberalism" is liberals on the west coast. Come on!
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    Oh yeah, and we got Trump saying “Well, [busing is] something that they’ve done for a long period of time. You know, there aren’t that many ways you’re going to get people to schools… It is certainly a primary method of getting people to schools,”

    How can you say that this man is not retarded?
    I thought wuf made this clear in 2016. He's pretending to be a total retard on purpose. Sometime before the end of his life, when the time is right, he will start acting not-retarded, and everyone will think he's way smarter than they gave him credit for. Just wait and see! 3D chess ftw!
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    Kamala Harris is a joke who sucked dick to get to where she is in politics. Her qualifications end at having a vagina. She's like all the worst parts of Obama and Hillary mixed in one.
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    Kamala Harris is a joke who sucked dick to get to where she is in politics. Her qualifications end at having a vagina. She's like all the worst parts of Obama and Hillary mixed in one.
    I'm so triggered!!!

    arggghh.jpg

    Oh wait, I missed the part where she's not qualified. So, what does it take to qualify?
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    Speaking of lacking qualifications.

    Starting at 3.30



    "Hey guys...guys...guys?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    She's like all the worst parts of Obama and Hillary mixed in one.
    Which parts would that be?

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    Speaking of lacking qualifications.
    I wonder if she can't feel shame, or if she's so desensitized from living in hellworld her entire life that she simply pushes through it effortlessly.
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    I'm not hot on Ivanka. I'm a bigger fan of Tiffany. That bitch keeps it real.

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    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...425920000?s=20

    Well fuck me, Ong was right, this actually is about fish & chips.
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    Damn, that Revolutionary Army was better than I thought. They even took over the airports from the British!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    She looks like she dolled herself up with Homer Simpsons makeup shotgun that morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    She looks like she dolled herself up with Homer Simpsons makeup shotgun that morning.
    lol

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    Around the 15s mark he realizes that this is way above his reading level and just starts to riff.
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    - sees new post, first for days
    - notes it's oskar
    - predicts it's related to Trump
    - feels smug
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    - sees new post, first for days
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    - predicts it's related to Trump
    - feels smug
    This is the MAGA thread. Do you feel smug when you look at a poker thread and see a post about poker too?
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    Just today Epstein was arrested on sex trafficking charges that he was previously cleared on. Epstein literally raped and kidnapped children. He got an illegal non-prosecution agreement that allowed him not to name co-conspirators. Alexander Acosta who was the federal prosecutor overseeing the case at the time, and who let Epstein off with house arrest... for the rape and kidnapping of children, is now the Trump appointed Secretary of Labor. Trump is now named as a potential witness in the Epstein case.

    The clown car has no brakes!
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    You're like this guy, only that it's not just any car crash, it's a clown car that crashed into a nazi parade and there's a carousel and cotton candy and Trump's the president. Fuck no, I'm not going to look away, it's the greatest show on earth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    You're like this guy...
    Am I fuck. That's a German speaking in English. In Germany. The man has no shame. You wouldn't hear me speaking in German, not unless I'm ordering beer. Einen weissbier bitte danke dat ist gut ja. All the German one needs to politely get about in Germany.

    Who the fuck takes photos of a crash anyway? I can understand rubbernecking, it's hard to not look for a dead body as you drive past the scene of an accident. But to take photos? The fuck is wrong with people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Who the fuck takes photos of a crash anyway? I can understand rubbernecking, it's hard to not look for a dead body as you drive past the scene of an accident. But to take photos? The fuck is wrong with people?
    I agree, that's fucked up.
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    According to witnesses and sources, about a dozen FBI agents broke down the door to Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse with search warrants.
    What do they make search warrants out of in America? The same thing they make passports out of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    What do they make search warrants out of in America? The same thing they make passports out of?
    solid joke.

    You know... I hope that one day I will find someone who loves me the way pedophiles love child pornography.

    Apparently they found nude photographs of kids at Epstein's mansion. How invincible do you have to feel to be a convicted pedophile who had a NYT cover story written about how he got off on child sex trafficking charges through an illegal non-prosecution agreement in the past 6 months and you still hold on to your kiddie porn.

    If Trump comments on Epstein do you guys think he'll go with "I barely knew him;" "He was treated very unfairly" or will he straight up admit they ran a train on 13yo's, thereby boosting his ratings by 5-10 points.
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    btw, thumbs and big toes up to whoever first gave her the name 'Nepotism Barbie'
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post

    If Trump comments on Epstein do you guys think he'll go with "I barely knew him;" "He was treated very unfairly" or will he straight up admit they ran a train on 13yo's, thereby boosting his ratings by 5-10 points.
    "He was just a coffee boy."
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    Let's play word association. I'll start.

    Trump.
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    Costume is shit and voice is pretty grating, but those lyrics are top drawer.

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    FUCK! He went with "not a fan"... what a curveball
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/u...p-epstein.html
    I like how the NYT casually includes a story of Trump hosting a party for nobody but him, Epstein and "28 girls" in response to Trump saying he wasn't a fan.

    Genius trolling, or disability? Impossible to tell!
    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...050531840?s=20
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