Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
I envision that expense falling on the owner. I.e. the cost of all the background is billed to the owner.
I'm skeptical rights can exist that are not reasonably attainable-- but nevermind that, I'll walk back my caveat. I don't think there are any edge cases. Certain powers should only be held by committee.


If you understand my position, then we're at the goal.
Of course we're at a standstill when we've gotten to the point.

I'm not claiming I'm right; I'm sharing my opinions.
I'm not trying to change your mind; I'm explaining my mind.
I like this framework. I don't quite agree that we've reached the goal, but certainly a goal. Often times discussions, especially nowadays, seem to be stuck at some lower level where neither person actually understands the position of the other. I believe the next level is to get at how and why the other person has arrived at their conclusions, as well as how and why you've arrived at your own conclusions.

As I've said, I believe you're operating from flawed axioms. We're kinda working from opposite ends. How I see it, you've arrived at your conclusions through deduction, while I see your axioms as flawed by way of induction. I think axioms which give less than satisfactory conclusions are much more suspect than conclusions which aren't clearly traceable to actionable axioms.

So I guess I'd ask you to either say something about the axioms you're working from and why they're so sacrosanct, or give some practical support of your conclusions that aren't just references back to the axioms they're derived from.