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Cross posting from the other thread.

Yep-- also herd immunity comes about in two different ways:

1 we develop a vaccine and immunize all who can safely have the vaccine administered

2 lots and lots of people die, and the survivors develop immunity, thereby leaving the remaining population immune.

I believe these two things get conflated when people talk about Covid19. We don't have a vaccine yet, so championing herd immunity in this case is to call for the deaths of potentially tens of millions of people.

Also, MMM, your stance on that video of those two spazzes is baffling.

As Poop pointed out, legality and morality do not have a total overlap.

Also, the one filming could be lashing out from a totally selfish place (she wanted TP and didn't get any), but the way she is acting out further's the greater good.

As for TP being an essential good, I don't think it's a tragedy to draw a hard line with TP on the outside of "essential goods", but if we allow for any sort of nuance, it certainly is more essential than birthday cards. There certainly is demand for it, and when it is hoarded it will cause all sorts of havoc. A clear cut case is that instead of visiting one store when people venture out for supplies, they'll visit 10. Then visit 10 more the next day because they didn't find TP in the first 10. Then they'll start crowding the entrance of the stores leading up to opening, hoping to grab some from a freshly stocked self. All of which will contribute to the spread of the virus.

Back to nuance: Admittedly there's a blurry line between hoarding and being well supplied, helping to minimize trips out and mitigating the spread of the virus. If she had two or even five cases of TP, I probably would have thought the woman filming was overreacting. But she cleared out the store and had something like 20 cases. She also could have been supplying an institution in need (such as a nursing home) which had no luck with their typical distributor, but she didn't offer up any of this info when she could have, so we can only assume she's hoarding, or just super socially awkward.

Both are spazzes, but I 100% want the lady behind the camera in my society if I had to pick one.

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Also, MMM, your stance on that video of those two spazzes is baffling.

As Poop pointed out, legality and morality do not have a total overlap.

Also, the one filming could be lashing out from a totally selfish place (she wanted TP and didn't get any), but the way she is acting out further's the greater good.

I'm saying they're both acting badly.

What greater good? The woman is actively loading her purchase into her truck.
What was accomplished aside from making a bunch of internet droolers white knight over the TP lady?

No one's being shamed into not hoarding because of that video. Hoarding is a perfectly normal human response to scarcity. The news told us that TP is scarce and people went and reacted in a predictable way.

There's no moral right, here, IMO.

The TP lady was within her civil rights to purchase goods with her money.
The camera lady is within her civil rights to film in public. (Though what she's doing is bordering on harassment, IMO.)

Whether or not it was moral is beside the point. Who TF is the camera lady to jump on a soap box and take the moral high ground over this? Who's following her around with a camera and calling her out? Bet it's not a long wait before you see her do something the internet can froth over how immoral it was.

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I'm saying they're both acting badly.

What greater good? The woman is actively loading her purchase into her truck.
What was accomplished aside from making a bunch of internet droolers white knight over the TP lady?

No one's being shamed into not hoarding because of that video. Hoarding is a perfectly normal human response to scarcity. The news told us that TP is scarce and people went and reacted in a predictable way.

There's no moral right, here, IMO.

The TP lady was within her civil rights to purchase goods with her money.
The camera lady is within her civil rights to film in public. (Though what she's doing is bordering on harassment, IMO.)

Whether or not it was moral is beside the point. Who TF is the camera lady to jump on a soap box and take the moral high ground over this? Who's following her around with a camera and calling her out? Bet it's not a long wait before you see her do something the internet can froth over how immoral it was.

Is there no moral right here, or is morality besides the point? You haven't established that there's no moral high ground here, you've just stated it.

The interest of the greater good is that unnecessary hoarding does not occur. I outlined the costs of hoarding on society.

Nothing is accomplished in this instance, but shame plays a crucial role in societies. If you're putting your money on more likely/just as likely, I'll take less likely to continue hoarding all day and print money. But that's not the big win, the big win is that those viewing this who had no opinion are going to be less likely to hoard.

On the flip side, being a busybody is look down upon-- but it's always dependent on circumstances. If you attempt to shame someone when it's not called for, you'll be labeled a busybody, you'll be told to mind your own business, and you'll be the one being shamed. That's because a society doesn't have the energy to police every minor transgression.

Now where is the line? I'm not sure, but as I said before, a few cases, and I probably am thinking "what's this busy body's problem?" Yet I think ~20 cases is egregious. I understand that we may not agree on where the line is, but if you think there is no line, that public shaming doesn't serve a function in society, I think you're simply confused.

p.s. making the semantic shift from "legal" to "civil right" doesn't change anything. There are plenty of shameful and amoral things I can legally do-- things that I should and would be shamed for, and society would be better for my being shamed.