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 Originally Posted by OngBonga
This isn't semantics, not unless by "punsihment" you mean "an unfavourable outcome".
You can't just go abusing the meaning of words and then crying "semantics" when someone argues the point you're making. Find better language.
I said "getting punished for crimes that haven't happened is not ok" as a general anecdote. It's you who's been trying to implant a specific scenario to that. I still maintain that comparing a literal punishment for a crime to a declining a benefit due to a criminal record is not entirely inapt.
But all of this is of course meaningless to the discussion, as you well know. It is not ok to e.g. deny a person access to a country based on their beliefs, whether you call that a punishment or not.
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