Quote Originally Posted by mojo
So... all the looting that took place while those protestors were inside the capitol building... that's a serious crime?
We discussed this already. No, it's not "looting" by the legal definition (try "theft of government property"), and it's not as serious as trashing a private business. It is still serious enough for me to have no sympathy for those that caused damage or stole items, but this was not a riot.

I'm pretty bothered by even normally OK news agencies calling this a "violent insurrection." It wasn't.
I'm glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this here. The use of the word "violent" is a gross exaggeration, and it's for the consumption of the Trump haters.

They did actually interfere. They put one of the steps of the process off for a few hours. Whether or not they expected their actions to change the outcome of the election is kinda beside the point.
Ok "interfere" is a mild word and probably acceptable. But in the context of trying to change the outcome, that wasn't the goal. And it kind of is the point. If that was their goal, well they need serious proof that fraud has happened. Otherwise I can't say in good conscience that their actions were justified.

Judges from all over the country. Governors, Republican and Democrat. News agencies trying to follow up on stories... all of them would have to be "in" on the conspiracy. It's that big.
Every entity you mention here is "establishment". They were in on it on 9/11. So I believe it's possible.

When we here stories of Russian election fraud, it's like... this entire city is up in arms over the results and practices and have hundreds of eye witnesses corroborating the same story.
Actually whenever I hear anything of Russian election fraud, it's western news agencies making the claims. But this is a whole different rabbit hole.

I'm all for healthy, scientific skepticism, but at a certain point... you're just ignoring the evidence, not being skeptical of it.
I'm ignoring the "evidence" on both sides. I haven't once repeated any specific claim of Trump's. I don't trust any of them, which is why it's so easy for me to sit on the fence.