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[BananaStand]

I think the important question then is why black people have lower economic standings

This actually isn't a debate. this question already has an answer.

I'm not sure exactly what the number is, but US economics recognizes a level of income at which a person crosses "the poverty line". For simplicity, I'm going to refer to everyone below that line as "poor", and everyone above that line as "prosperous".

now here are the numbers.

90% of prosperous people share these three cultural traits.
1. They finished high school
2. They did not have a child before age 21.
3. They did not have their first child outside of marriage.

That's it. Do those three things, and you will not be poor. Conversely, 90 percent of poor people are missing one or more of those traits. So if black people are disproportionately poor. the answer probably lies somewhere on that list.

1. The high school graduation rate for black people is 69%. For white people, its' 86%
2. The teenage pregnancy rate among black people is 39 births per 1000. For white people, it's 19. LESS THAN HALF!!
3. 72% of black people are born to unwed mothers, compared to only 26% of white people. ALMOST A THIRD!!

You might say "but schools in black neighborhoods are bad..." FUCK YOU. This analysis makes no distinction for the quality of the school. Every child in America has access to public school. All they have to do is show up.

You might say "but fathers are absent because of racist policing, and mass-incarceration". FUCK YOU. Unless 70+% of black people are being conceived during conjugal visits, this is bullshit. If these guys are fucking....it means they're free men with the ability to work and provide for their family. If they shirk their parental responsibilities by engaging in highly risky illegal activities, that's simply called irresponsibility....not a symptom of white privilege.

So Lincoln freed the slaves 150 years ago, schools are open, and it's legal to buy condoms. Why are black people not prosperous?

It's pretty easy to see, as spoon pointed out, that an emphasis on education and a nuclear family would head off ALL of these problems. However, black culture seems to be rejecting that. I will bet a lung that more than two-thirds of black people who read this post would consider it racist.

But it's not racist. I'm just making a factual observation that black culture is broken.

1. Family failures are cyclical. Bad fathers breed bad fathers. Black fathers simply do not appreciate the impact of their absence since it's so common in their culture.

2. Black music, movies, and TV, are full of "thugs" and "pimps" who are glamorized. Drug dealing, street violence, and disrespect for women is actually GLORIFIED and this shit is fed to black kids all day every day.

3. Black leaders are not addressing the above two issues. Rather they decry any mention of them as racist. And as an alternate message, they are telling black citizens that the system is rigged against them. THIS DESTROYS MOTIVATION!! [Aside: Bernie Sanders is guilty of the same thing]. The Al Sharptons of the world have made a lucrative living making sure that black people grow up believing they will always be oppressed. Consequently, they don't try, and the self-fulfilling prophecy is complete

4. Black culture does not seem to emphasize education as much as other cultures do. Watch the NFL playoffs this weekend. Listen to the post-game interviews with black players. Listen to how bad their command of the english language is. And those guys are all college graduates! Imagine what theses guys would have to do with their lives if they weren't incredibly blessed with athletic talent.

[wufwugy]

3. 72% of black people are born to unwed mothers, compared to only 26% of white people. ALMOST A THIRD!!

This used to be reversed. Blacks used to have higher marriage rates. That was during the lives of our grandparents and back when Harlem was not a ghetto.

Related: Sheriff David Clarke:

[Savy]

What do you think this means?

If you're talking about fixing society then ye dur obviously but that means something different to everyone and doesn't really mean much. By the police understanding and developing their policy and action they can make huge differences and it's much more under their control.

This is the type of bullshit that people get behind in a way where like police being dicks to people in society is excused because they're trying to fix the problem and the people they are dealing with is the issue. It just isn't true.

[wufwugy]

What do you think this means?

If you're talking about fixing society then ye dur obviously but that means something different to everyone and doesn't really mean much. By the police understanding and developing their policy and action they can make huge differences and it's much more under their control.

This is the type of bullshit that people get behind in a way where like police being dicks to people in society is excused because they're trying to fix the problem and the people they are dealing with is the issue. It just isn't true.

I'm not a big fan of some of police culture. It could be fixed. The amount of problems it is causing and the value gained by attempts to fix it are minuscule in comparison to that of ghetto culture.

[CoccoBill]

90% of prosperous people share these three cultural traits.
1. They finished high school
2. They did not have a child before age 21.
3. They did not have their first child outside of marriage.

That's it. Do those three things, and you will not be poor.

Did you know that the leading cause of drowning is ice cream?

[BananaStand]

Did you know that the leading cause of drowning is ice cream?

Are you suggesting that I've got my facts wrong??

Well......you'd be right. Corrections in bold.

92% of prosperous people share these three cultural traits.
1. They finished high school
2. They did not have a child before age 20.
3. They did not have their first child outside of marriage.

That's it. Do those three things, and you will not be poor.

[spoonitnow]

Are you suggesting that I've got my facts wrong??

Well......you'd be right. Corrections in bold.

But but but mah causation.

[Savy]

But but but mah causation.

Do you really believe that opposite though.

Finishing highschool is an automatic bias in the sample. Even if you took a sample where everyone was equally able and then looked at those who graduated you'd find that bad things make people drop out and have a longer term effect on your life and people that don't face those issues graduate and are less likely to have those issues in the future. It's pretty self fulfilling.

The difference in life quality of those who barely miss out on graduating and those who barely graduate is actually pretty indifferent and that's with a pretty big bias in employment and opportunity to those who do graduate.

The bits about not having children is also interesting. The first point is that good schools in bad areas (which is surprisingly common) combats this. So that would imply that having kids, whilst an issue, isn't that big of a factor. It just turns out that when things are going well you're less likely to have children. This is also an effect which is seen throughout loads of different socioeconomic groups basically across the world.

The next is that, in the UK at least, asian cultures tend to have children at an earlier age and also have more children yet their success rates are also much better than both white and black people when comparing across poorer socioeconomic backgrounds. This has huge amounts to do with the culture that is around for dealing with these things. So once again it's more an effect of negatives than it is the cause of negatives.

You also find that black and ethnic pupils actually tend to do much much better whilst in the later years of education and the progress they make is amongst the best.

There is the affect of people from certain areas being forced to live in worst places and having less when it comes to immigration. This is true of a lot of people who immigrated however you tend to find that the people who have integrated the best in the society have the better results. Now there is an argument that this is down to what you do to intergrate and I agree however how easy it is to single you out as different plays a huge part. If you're 3rd generation Irish immigrant basically no one knows you aren't American, if you're third generation african-american they know you are different. It matters.

The ways you deal with it and how you approach it is a different thing but ignoring it's existence is rubbish.

[BananaStand]

Finishing highschool is an automatic bias in the sample.

No it isn't.

Even if you took a sample where everyone was equally able and then looked at those who graduated you'd find that bad things make people drop out and have a longer term effect on your life and people that don't face those issues graduate and are less likely to have those issues in the future. It's pretty self fulfilling

Huh?? What bad things? What future issues?? Black kids are dropping out of high school at a rate above 30% because they believe it's pointless, not because of some catastrophic life-issue that occurred when they were 15.

The difference in life quality of those who barely miss out on graduating and those who barely graduate is actually pretty indifferent and that's with a pretty big bias in employment and opportunity to those who do graduate.

Patently false. go watch the video again. The study was done in 1992, and updated in 2007. The results showed that 92% of people who met those 3 criteria, were not poor. The results also showed that just about 80% of people who did not meet those 3 criteria (one of which being high school) are poor.

What's not clear here?? Stay in school 90% chance you won't be poor. Drop out, 80% chance you will be. You call that "indifferent"?

The bits about not having children is also interesting. The first point is that good schools in bad areas (which is surprisingly common) combats this.

Huh?? THe out of wedlock birth rate among African Americans is over 70%. How is that possible if schools are "commonly" combating this??

So that would imply that having kids, whilst an issue, isn't that big of a factor.

It's a HUMONGOUS factor if you're unmarried or under 20 years old!!!! That's the point. Having kids within a nuclear family with both parents living under the same roof doesn't have a big impact on prosperity. But if you do it any other way....you're fucked!

It just turns out that when things are going well you're less likely to have children.

We're talking about people under 20 man. Do you really think their having children is dictated by "how well it's going"?

The next is that, in the UK at least, asian cultures tend to have children at an earlier age and also have more children yet their success rates are also much better than both white and black people when comparing across poorer socioeconomic backgrounds. This has huge amounts to do with the culture that is around for dealing with these things. So once again it's more an effect of negatives than it is the cause of negatives.

I'm not sure I follow this. But see if you can follow this. Black people commonly fail the 3-criteria poverty test that I put forward. As a result, they are more affected by poverty. More poverty = More crime. Hence 13% of the population commites 50% of the murders and robberies.

Meanwhile asian people are about 4 or 5% of the American population and commit less than 1% of the murders and robberies. Are you saying that has nothing to do with their cultural emphasis on education and nuclear families??