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[spoonitnow]

Are you suggesting that I've got my facts wrong??

Well......you'd be right. Corrections in bold.

But but but mah causation.

[Savy]

But but but mah causation.

Do you really believe that opposite though.

Finishing highschool is an automatic bias in the sample. Even if you took a sample where everyone was equally able and then looked at those who graduated you'd find that bad things make people drop out and have a longer term effect on your life and people that don't face those issues graduate and are less likely to have those issues in the future. It's pretty self fulfilling.

The difference in life quality of those who barely miss out on graduating and those who barely graduate is actually pretty indifferent and that's with a pretty big bias in employment and opportunity to those who do graduate.

The bits about not having children is also interesting. The first point is that good schools in bad areas (which is surprisingly common) combats this. So that would imply that having kids, whilst an issue, isn't that big of a factor. It just turns out that when things are going well you're less likely to have children. This is also an effect which is seen throughout loads of different socioeconomic groups basically across the world.

The next is that, in the UK at least, asian cultures tend to have children at an earlier age and also have more children yet their success rates are also much better than both white and black people when comparing across poorer socioeconomic backgrounds. This has huge amounts to do with the culture that is around for dealing with these things. So once again it's more an effect of negatives than it is the cause of negatives.

You also find that black and ethnic pupils actually tend to do much much better whilst in the later years of education and the progress they make is amongst the best.

There is the affect of people from certain areas being forced to live in worst places and having less when it comes to immigration. This is true of a lot of people who immigrated however you tend to find that the people who have integrated the best in the society have the better results. Now there is an argument that this is down to what you do to intergrate and I agree however how easy it is to single you out as different plays a huge part. If you're 3rd generation Irish immigrant basically no one knows you aren't American, if you're third generation african-american they know you are different. It matters.

The ways you deal with it and how you approach it is a different thing but ignoring it's existence is rubbish.

[BananaStand]

Finishing highschool is an automatic bias in the sample.

No it isn't.

Even if you took a sample where everyone was equally able and then looked at those who graduated you'd find that bad things make people drop out and have a longer term effect on your life and people that don't face those issues graduate and are less likely to have those issues in the future. It's pretty self fulfilling

Huh?? What bad things? What future issues?? Black kids are dropping out of high school at a rate above 30% because they believe it's pointless, not because of some catastrophic life-issue that occurred when they were 15.

The difference in life quality of those who barely miss out on graduating and those who barely graduate is actually pretty indifferent and that's with a pretty big bias in employment and opportunity to those who do graduate.

Patently false. go watch the video again. The study was done in 1992, and updated in 2007. The results showed that 92% of people who met those 3 criteria, were not poor. The results also showed that just about 80% of people who did not meet those 3 criteria (one of which being high school) are poor.

What's not clear here?? Stay in school 90% chance you won't be poor. Drop out, 80% chance you will be. You call that "indifferent"?

The bits about not having children is also interesting. The first point is that good schools in bad areas (which is surprisingly common) combats this.

Huh?? THe out of wedlock birth rate among African Americans is over 70%. How is that possible if schools are "commonly" combating this??

So that would imply that having kids, whilst an issue, isn't that big of a factor.

It's a HUMONGOUS factor if you're unmarried or under 20 years old!!!! That's the point. Having kids within a nuclear family with both parents living under the same roof doesn't have a big impact on prosperity. But if you do it any other way....you're fucked!

It just turns out that when things are going well you're less likely to have children.

We're talking about people under 20 man. Do you really think their having children is dictated by "how well it's going"?

The next is that, in the UK at least, asian cultures tend to have children at an earlier age and also have more children yet their success rates are also much better than both white and black people when comparing across poorer socioeconomic backgrounds. This has huge amounts to do with the culture that is around for dealing with these things. So once again it's more an effect of negatives than it is the cause of negatives.

I'm not sure I follow this. But see if you can follow this. Black people commonly fail the 3-criteria poverty test that I put forward. As a result, they are more affected by poverty. More poverty = More crime. Hence 13% of the population commites 50% of the murders and robberies.

Meanwhile asian people are about 4 or 5% of the American population and commit less than 1% of the murders and robberies. Are you saying that has nothing to do with their cultural emphasis on education and nuclear families??