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Ben Shapiro had a different take in his podcast today and I think he has a bit of a point.

Roseanne, in the new show, proclaims her support for Trump on the basis of economics. The show presumes that there was NOT a culture war driven by identity politics in 2016. It seems to be suggesting that the only point of reconciliation between liberals and conservatives is economics, and that liberal positions on social issues are already settled as 'correct'.

Did Shapiro make that as a side point? If so, that's good. If it's a rebuttal to Roseanne, I'm not so sure. Lots of people voted for Trump because "he talked about jobs, Jackie". That's a good enough description for many people, and probably for Roseanne herself.

I might argue that the social justice political correctness played a smaller (in size) role to economics, yet it played a more pivotal role due to making the marginal difference. A LOT of people voted Trump/Republican because of things like Obamacare. But what pushed Trump over the edge could have been the identity politics ridiculousness. Or, well, it could have also been economics. He won the Midwest on his economic message after all. But, well, also his support correlated with identity politics backlash in that region too. So really I don't know.

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Did Shapiro make that as a side point? If so, that's good. If it's a rebuttal to Roseanne, I'm not so sure.

It was definitely not a side point. He devoted about 20 minutes to "Roseanne is not a conservative show"

Basically his read on the show, is that its saying that Trump voters can be forgiven if they just voted for Trump because "economics" and "shake things up".

So Becky wants to be a surrogate, and Roseanne objects. Becky invokes "my body my choice" and Roseanne relents. It's basically an abortion argument, without mentioning abortion. In another scene, Darlene's son dresses in women's clothes. Dan objects with some glib argument about "don't want him to get beat up in school". In the end, everyone agrees it's better to raise your kids gender-neutrally.

So what the show is saying is that middle, working-class, America has exactly the same values as NY/LA liberals, they just differ economically.

Other shows (like Will & Grace) would make fun of conservatives and portray them as evil racists who don't care about women, gays, or the poor. Roseanne does the same thing, just inverted. "Yeah I voted for Trump. Cuz jobs. I'm definitely not one of those evil pro-life transphobic conservatives. Wouldn't it be awful if I believed that stuff!!??"

[wufwugy]

It was definitely not a side point. He devoted about 20 minutes to "Roseanne is not a conservative show"

Basically his read on the show, is that its saying that Trump voters can be forgiven if they just voted for Trump because "economics" and "shake things up".

So Becky wants to be a surrogate, and Roseanne objects. Becky invokes "my body my choice" and Roseanne relents. It's basically an abortion argument, without mentioning abortion. In another scene, Darlene's son dresses in women's clothes. Dan objects with some glib argument about "don't want him to get beat up in school". In the end, everyone agrees it's better to raise your kids gender-neutrally.

So what the show is saying is that middle, working-class, America has exactly the same values as NY/LA liberals, they just differ economically.

Other shows (like Will & Grace) would make fun of conservatives and portray them as evil racists who don't care about women, gays, or the poor. Roseanne does the same thing, just inverted. "Yeah I voted for Trump. Cuz jobs. I'm definitely not one of those evil pro-life transphobic conservatives. Wouldn't it be awful if I believed that stuff!!??"

It's not a conservative show. Roseanne has always been a middle class Midwest show, which has some of both conservatism and liberalism.

It's a show about life. It's about Roseanne's view of life without being that ideological.