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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Well just look at the narrative he's laying out. It's the archetypal leftist demagoguery. Big bad corporation gets richer off of hard working taxpayers, nyaahhhh.

    Amazon doesn't tell the post office what to charge. Amazon doesn't make the post office lose money. Amazon is just participating in a free market and making the most advantageous decision it could.

    Apparently this is a problem for Trump. But when Trump paid little or no tax using legal methods, he was a genius. WTF?

    There's no way Trump is dumb enough to believe what he's saying. He knows Amazon hasn't done anything wrong. He has to know that the Post Office is a completely retarded enterprise. The rebuttal in that article was that "such and such finance guru says this contract is profitable". There's not a financial analyst with an IQ over 60 that believes that. This contract is indeed unprofitable, but so are ALL the contracts, not just Amazon.

    He's picking on Amazon because A) He hates Jeff Bezos and B) he can satisfy his left-wing social ideology and engage in what is essentially a redistribution play. And C) He can tout the additional post office revenue as a victory and validation for his 'run-govt-like-a-business' schtick.
    Trump has spoken about this kind of thing in clear terms in the past. The problem isn't businesses doing what they can to get special treatment (that's actually a good thing); instead the problem is businesses having a tax monopoly which they can lobby for special treatment (and then get it granted). Amazon is a company in that situation.


    Regarding the rhetoric, I'm not a fan of it. I wish people would THINK instead of FEEL, but that's not how it is. People feel and feel and feel and don't stop to think. His rhetoric reflects how to get things done when the people you need to convince feel instead of think.
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    the problem is businesses having a tax monopoly which they can lobby for special treatment (and then get it granted). Amazon is a company in that situation.
    What???

    What unique power does Amazon have here? Imagine they pull the contract....so what? The post office loses the revenue, but they also don't have to pay the costs of servicing that contract, so all that's lost is the incremental net income. No one seems to be mentioning what that is...so I'm guessing it's not much. In fact, it's probably a loss. And shutting down a losing venture would actually be BETTER for taxpayers.

    Where it gets messy is if the Post Office has to lay off people and liquidate parts of its operation. Even if every single employee transfers along with the contract, UPS and FedEx pay less than the Post Office, so there is probably a net loss for the economy there, but it's not huge. Its certainly not big enough for the government to be making concessions to Amazon.

    The problem is OBVIOUSLY the mismanagement and competitive impotence of the Post Office. The PO is actually part of the executive branch, which means Trump runs the show. His options are:

    A) Shut it down. The whole post office. It's a venture losing money in a market in which it cannot compete with industry leaders like UPS and FedEx.
    B) Fix it. He's such a great business man....make it work!! Improve efficiencies, lower costs, raise revenues, and relieve the taxpayers of the burden.
    C) Feed the fat government cow even though it's inefficient and loses money. And do it through thinly-veiled redistribution tactics backed up by leftist rhetoric about the evil billionaire exploiting the common man.

    One of those things does not belong on a republican platform.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    What???
    If I recall correctly, Trump was framing Amazon's special treatment through its tax treatment. My thoughts were filtered through that.

    Even if Amazon is increasing production on margins that nobody else is, they should not be receiving special tax treatment.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    If I recall correctly, Trump was framing Amazon's special treatment through its tax treatment. My thoughts were filtered through that.

    Even if Amazon is increasing production on margins that nobody else is, they should not be receiving special tax treatment.
    if we're thinking about the same thing, then that's Trump being a demagogue.

    He was ranting about Amazon and sales taxes. I guess there is some kinda loophole where you don't always have to collect sales taxes when you sell shit online. Some decades old court ruling about mail-order catalogs says so. But that applies to any company that sells shit online, not just Amazon.

    Also, Amazon collects sales tax in 45 states, and the other 5 don't have sales tax. So Trump is full of shit.

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