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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I'm not scared.
    you should be

    I'll just quietly get old and give zero fucks what anyone else thinks of me
    That's fine. But it matters what you think of other people. And if they don't like what you think. they will MAKE you think something they like.

    If the rest of the world wants to implode into a cesspit of hypocrisy, who am I to stop them?
    Wrong question. The rest of the world wants to be able to MAKE you follow them into that cesspit of hypocrisy. So the right question is...how are you gonna stop them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    The rest of the world wants to be able to MAKE you follow them into that cesspit of hypocrisy. So the right question is...how are you gonna stop them?
    I just won't follow them. How are they gonna make me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I just won't follow them. How are they gonna make me?
    Well, for one thing, you can't work at Starbucks unless you succumb to racial bias re-training. Also, from the CNN article, you can't be a commander in the Philadelphia Police Department either.

    You are now required to submit your mind to processes engineered for the purpose of shaping your thoughts along the lines of someone else's preferred ideology. And if you don't, your livelihood will suffer.

    This practice is very quickly spreading through corporations. At any moment, Ong, someone from your company's HR department could come up to you and say "Sir, you're white. And even though you've existed in society without incident for some 40+ years already, we've decided that your life's actions are not sufficient evidence to prove that you can interact objectively with people of other races. However, your mere skin color IS sufficient evidence to prove that you can't."

    And then you either go along with that assessment, or you can't earn a living. By the way, you're forced to make this decision knowing that there is ZILCH for scientific evidence suggesting that implicit bias affects behavior.

    Ya know Ong, I know your general philosophy of life is to "give zero fucks", but you really gotta draw a line somewhere. Are you really saying that 'thought control' is something you can just shrug off with a sip of tea and a spliff??
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    Are you familiar with the North Carolina voter ID law controversy? Since you don't seem to think that there has been any discrimination of minorities since 1863, I'm curious what your thoughts are on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Are you familiar with the North Carolina voter ID law controversy? Since you don't seem to think that there has been any discrimination of minorities since 1863, I'm curious what your thoughts are on that.
    What the hell does that have to do with the price of eggs in Thailand? I guess if we're allowed to use non-sequitors, I'll use one of my own....

    Abortion activists will whine about this many states are currently considering this many pieces of legislation that would reduce the availability of abortions.

    Some of that legislation is well-intentioned sincere efforts to protect the health and safety of patients.

    Some of that is a disingenuous ploy by zealots and sexists to undermine a woman's choice.

    In my estimation, I see far more of the former than the latter. However, because the latter exists, the activists are able to lump all of these pieces of legislation together under the umbrella of sexism and zealotry.

    I see the same phenomenon in the voter ID debate. Protecting the integrity of elections is supremely important and we need regulations to do that.. It's also possible to regulate voting in a way purposefully designed to influence results. Again, because the latter exists any attempt to do the former is thwarted by activists using the sword of "equality".

    Now you're probably gonna say that voter fraud is so small, it doesn't really change the outcome of elections. First of all, that's bullshit. If you're acknowledging that voter fraud does happen, then you must also admit that the perpetrators have a motive. It's unlikely that every such perpetrator throughout history was a delusional maniac who was really fucking bad at math. Voter fraud works.

    Sure it's probably never swayed a presidential race, but a single bus full of people transported to a few different polling locations is more than enough to swing a city council or state legislature election. That kinda bullshit undermines the principle of "of, for, and by the people". Instead we have the entry-level of government blockaded by corrupt individuals.

    The NC law was passed legitimately through the democratic process. A federal judge affirmed the law in a nearly 500 page decision. I haven't read it, I just assume that if the liberal rags clamoring about this didn't quote it, then there probably isn't anything blatantly racist in that decision. and if it was all just hand waving, he could have stopped at 50 pages.

    It's my understanding that a higher court disagreed and overturned the law. Generally, it's my perception that the higher ranking the court, the more likely it is to be activist (judicial activism is out of fucking control...but that's another thread). The reasoning in this case was that legislators had requested voter data by demographic, and later passed this law. It seems to me that they are making a correlation/causation link and I'm not seeing any evidence for that.

    So those are my thoughts. Thanks for asking. Photo ID should be a requirement to vote. If you can't get a photo-id, fuck you. That's how I feel about it. I'm sorta for same-day registration. I don't think you should have to sign up in advance to vote. But if there really is some reason the government needs people to sign up ahead of time, then they should just register you automatically when you get your fucking photo-ID. Everything else in the NC bill was just filler that no one cares about.
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    Also, from the CNN article, you can't be a commander in the Philadelphia Police Department either.
    I don't really see a problem with some kind of racial awareness training for the police, since they have a very sensetive job.

    But, I would expect this to be a lesson in what kind of language and actions offends certain races and religions, for cultural reasons, ie shoes in mosques and all that shit. Not a lecture on white privilege.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I don't really see a problem with some kind of racial awareness training for the police, since they have a very sensetive job.

    But, I would expect this to be a lesson in what kind of language and actions offends certain races and religions, for cultural reasons, ie shoes in mosques and all that shit. Not a lecture on white privilege.
    That's not the type of training they're talking about here. I don't know much about it but there exists some kind of psychological test for unconscious bias. Like they will flash a picture of two dudes, each holding a small metal object. And then they'll ask you "which one was holding a knife?". If you say "the black one", then you're a racist.

    This is pretty dubious science. And buried in the literature on this is the fact that they can't prove that this unconscious bias actually influences behavior. There's no science for that at all.

    Yet somehow they have developed a way to re-train people's thoughts to reduce or eliminate this unconscious bias. Re-read that man. They are changing your fucking thoughts! Or at least trying to. 8000 Starbucks stores are going to cease doing business for half a day so that the dozens of employees at each store can be threatened with their jobs if they don't align their thoughts with those of the ideologues in power.

    How are you not shitting your pants over this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Well, for one thing, you can't work at Starbucks unless you succumb to racial bias re-training. Also, from the CNN article, you can't be a commander in the Philadelphia Police Department either.

    You are now required to submit your mind to processes engineered for the purpose of shaping your thoughts along the lines of someone else's preferred ideology. And if you don't, your livelihood will suffer.

    This practice is very quickly spreading through corporations. At any moment, Ong, someone from your company's HR department could come up to you and say "Sir, you're white. And even though you've existed in society without incident for some 40+ years already, we've decided that your life's actions are not sufficient evidence to prove that you can interact objectively with people of other races. However, your mere skin color IS sufficient evidence to prove that you can't."

    And then you either go along with that assessment, or you can't earn a living. By the way, you're forced to make this decision knowing that there is ZILCH for scientific evidence suggesting that implicit bias affects behavior.

    Ya know Ong, I know your general philosophy of life is to "give zero fucks", but you really gotta draw a line somewhere. Are you really saying that 'thought control' is something you can just shrug off with a sip of tea and a spliff??
    The minority rule. How a small subset changes the whole. It's like how it was easier for Coke to go entirely Kosher instead of partially Kosher or non-Kosher even though practicing Jews make up a very tiny portion of their customer base.

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