*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[BananaStand]

Banana, I can't reply to that.....I can't read your mind.

I don't believe I asked you to read my mind. I'll recap the open questions.

1) Please explain your use of the word "grave" to describe the fact that Trump has a loan from China. I asked you to use all the powers of your imagination to hypothesize a scenario where that could have serious consequences against America's national interests.

2) I'm wondering why you think that immigration policy doesn't affect me? I'm asking you to describe the logical thought process that led you to that conclusion.

3) What exactly do you think Trump's stance on DACA is? Is your perception of his stance materially different from my perception of his stance? Again, here is my understanding of Trump's stance on DACA.

Trump was willing to allow amnesty for 1.8 million people, which is twice the number of people the Democrats claimed were affected by DACA. In return, he wanted funding for a border wall. The Democrats decided that making that deal would be seen as too much of a Trump success and they would lose too much leverage in the next elections. So they sacrificed 1.8 million people in order to preserve their own political capital. And Trump's current position on the issue is to either wait for the Dems to come back to the table, or follow the law as it exists now.

4) Why does it bother you when a politician does something "to appeal to his voter base". People said "There's 11 million people here that shouldn't be. Fix it". And then Trump said "ok, vote for me and I'll fix it". And so they voted for Trump. Now explain to me why you think Trump would be wrong to follow through on his promise?

5) The history on the "muslim ban" (if you insist on calling it that), was that US intelligence agencies under Obama identified lapses in US immigration vetting processes specific to a handful of countries with known ties to terrorism. Similar to the above, Trump listened to voters who said "Don't let terrorists into this country". When he took office, he looked at the work that was already done and simply fulfilled the promise he made to voters. How anyone can construe that as a hate-motivated attack on Muslims, is something I need explained to me.

6) I would like you to speculate on potential crimes with regards to Russia and the 2016 election. I want to know what specific evidence you're citing to suspect Trump of wrongdoing. I want to know what you believe Trump actually received from Russia. I want to know what specifically you think Trump may have promised in return. I would like you to incorporate Trump's bombing of Syria and Trump's arming of the Ukraine as part of your response.

Furthermore, I would like you to explain how it's possible that Trump could have colluded with Russia, and after two full years of exhaustive investigations by every institution of journalism and law enforcement, Trump is still President.

7) And if there really is nothing to the Russia story, then please explain to me how firing Comey could be considered obstruction. Either A) Comey was incompetent by investigating Trump based on politically-sourced evidence. or B) He was politically motivated to investigate Trump. Both are fireable offenses.

[oskar]

Banana, just keep it to one point. I don't get a lot out of talking to you. This is too much.
1 - really?
2 - didn't say that
3 - google trump and daca
4 - it bothers me if it negatively effects people for no reason other than catering to his voter base. You also falsely stated earlier that this was an obama policy: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/07/toug...-families.html
5 - it had no basis in reality. There was no reason for the travel ban other than cater to xenophobes.
6 - it's illegal to receive foreign aid in a presidential campaign. That's why they lied about the trump tower meeting. I'm not going to repeat myself on the 2nd part.
7 - https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...nts-grand-jury

[BananaStand]

Banana, just keep it to one point. I don't get a lot out of talking to you. This is too much.

Fine. It all boils down to one single question that I have asked twice, and still haven't gotten an answer. I'll ask a third time now...

Name one objectively terrible thing that's occurred as a direct result of Trump's presidency.

or if you wanna get into the nitty gritty....

1 - really?

yes really. Really really really.

2 - didn't say that

Yes you did. Your exact words were "I dont know if you care about things that don't affect you...". Now I'm asking, for a third time...why do you think that immigration policy doesn't affect me?

3 - google trump and daca

No. I'm very much aware of the situation regarding Trump and DACA. I've explained my understanding in explicit detail. If you have a source that refutes that, please present it.

4 - it bothers me if it negatively effects people for no reason other than catering to his voter base.

Define "catering"? Explain why it's bad? Because all I see is a duly elected official enacting policies that address the needs and concerns of his voting constituency. Why do you have a problem with that? Why are the needs and concerns of Trump voters not worthy of being "catered" to?

You SERIOUSLY need to explain why you say this Oskar. Because honestly, it just reeks of spoiled, whiny, entitlement. "Waaa, this politician is being nicer to people who voted for him than he is being to me, waaah". C'mon man.

You also falsely stated earlier that this was an obama policy: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/07/toug...-families.html

No I didn't.

5 - it had no basis in reality. There was no reason for the travel ban other than cater to xenophobes.

There's that word again, "cater". As for a basis in reality...I'll reiterate. It was the Obama administration that identified the lapses in vetting procedures and identified which particular countries are the most likely sources of terrorist travelers. What is un-real about that? And why is caring about it xenophobic?

Honestly man, this game is tiresome. You don't like a policy, so you just broad-brush cast everyone who does like the policy as something deplorable. That's weak, and intellectually lazy.

6 - it's illegal to receive foreign aid in a presidential campaign

No it's not. And what specific foreign aid are you referring to? Specifically, what did Trump get? Specifically, what makes that illegal?

That's why they lied about the trump tower meeting. I'm not going to repeat myself on the 2nd part.

Really? You have insisted that you are unable to read my mind. Yet here you are claiming clairvoyant powers with insight into the specific internal motivations of multiple people whom you only know through the bias news media.

By all accounts, nothing came from the Trump tower meeting, and talking about it would just encourage the rabid media dogs to speculate wildly about all kinds of crazy bullshit. Yeah, he lied. That's not great. But I'm also a reasonable person who can understand why he might try and sweep something like that under the rug when he KNOWS that the media is just salivating for any salacious bullshit with a Russian flavor. So I'm not going to immediately jump to the conclusion that it's definitive evidence of guilt and culpability in a massive international conspiracy that was successful in undermining the worlds greatest democracy. Sheeesh. Get a grip.

And you do realize that if something deplorable did happen in that meeting, Manafort could just say so and instantaneously free himself and become incredibly more wealthy than he already is. You get that right? Why are you choosing to ignore that fact in your assessment of the contents of that meeting?

7 - https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...nts-grand-jury

I don't see how this addresses #7 at all. But I read it anyway. Here's the best part.

So far, no Trump associates have been specifically charged with any crimes relating to helping Russia interfere with the 2016 election.