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 Originally Posted by oskar
Banana, just keep it to one point. I don't get a lot out of talking to you. This is too much.
Fine. It all boils down to one single question that I have asked twice, and still haven't gotten an answer. I'll ask a third time now...
Name one objectively terrible thing that's occurred as a direct result of Trump's presidency.
or if you wanna get into the nitty gritty....
yes really. Really really really.
Yes you did. Your exact words were "I dont know if you care about things that don't affect you...". Now I'm asking, for a third time...why do you think that immigration policy doesn't affect me?
3 - google trump and daca
No. I'm very much aware of the situation regarding Trump and DACA. I've explained my understanding in explicit detail. If you have a source that refutes that, please present it.
4 - it bothers me if it negatively effects people for no reason other than catering to his voter base.
Define "catering"? Explain why it's bad? Because all I see is a duly elected official enacting policies that address the needs and concerns of his voting constituency. Why do you have a problem with that? Why are the needs and concerns of Trump voters not worthy of being "catered" to?
You SERIOUSLY need to explain why you say this Oskar. Because honestly, it just reeks of spoiled, whiny, entitlement. "Waaa, this politician is being nicer to people who voted for him than he is being to me, waaah". C'mon man.
No I didn't.
5 - it had no basis in reality. There was no reason for the travel ban other than cater to xenophobes.
There's that word again, "cater". As for a basis in reality...I'll reiterate. It was the Obama administration that identified the lapses in vetting procedures and identified which particular countries are the most likely sources of terrorist travelers. What is un-real about that? And why is caring about it xenophobic?
Honestly man, this game is tiresome. You don't like a policy, so you just broad-brush cast everyone who does like the policy as something deplorable. That's weak, and intellectually lazy.
6 - it's illegal to receive foreign aid in a presidential campaign
No it's not. And what specific foreign aid are you referring to? Specifically, what did Trump get? Specifically, what makes that illegal?
That's why they lied about the trump tower meeting. I'm not going to repeat myself on the 2nd part.
Really? You have insisted that you are unable to read my mind. Yet here you are claiming clairvoyant powers with insight into the specific internal motivations of multiple people whom you only know through the bias news media.
By all accounts, nothing came from the Trump tower meeting, and talking about it would just encourage the rabid media dogs to speculate wildly about all kinds of crazy bullshit. Yeah, he lied. That's not great. But I'm also a reasonable person who can understand why he might try and sweep something like that under the rug when he KNOWS that the media is just salivating for any salacious bullshit with a Russian flavor. So I'm not going to immediately jump to the conclusion that it's definitive evidence of guilt and culpability in a massive international conspiracy that was successful in undermining the worlds greatest democracy. Sheeesh. Get a grip.
And you do realize that if something deplorable did happen in that meeting, Manafort could just say so and instantaneously free himself and become incredibly more wealthy than he already is. You get that right? Why are you choosing to ignore that fact in your assessment of the contents of that meeting?
I don't see how this addresses #7 at all. But I read it anyway. Here's the best part.
So far, no Trump associates have been specifically charged with any crimes relating to helping Russia interfere with the 2016 election.
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