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[MadMojoMonkey]

Medicare is socialized, gov't healthcare, and Americans love it.
Calling out socialized, gov't healthcare as unambiguously bad seems to ignore this fact.
Expanding one of the most loved gov't programs to cover more people seems like good governance. At least, I can see why it sounds like a good suggestion, prima facie.

Huge expenses in healthcare come from the inaccessibility of preventative medicine and of early treatments to financially challenged people.
It's not uncommon for a person to get sick, but to think that it's not that bad, and they don't need to see a doctor unless they're really sick. They can't afford a $100+ doctor's bill unless it's truly a life-threatening illness. They just don't find out it's life-threatening until the cost of treatment has skyrocketted from catching it in the early stages. They couldn't afford a $100 bill and now they're inpatient at a hospital that costs over $1000 per day.

The cost of treatment at that late stage is astronomical compared to if it could have been caught early on. People whom can't afford those early visits are costing all of us $1000's more in tax dollars for treatment costs than if we'd just put up the initial capitol to make preventative check-ups a human right. Yes, it'll cost us a lot of tax dollars to make these services available to all, but it's already costing us much more in tax dollars to deal with.

[BananaStand]

Medicare is socialized, gov't healthcare, and Americans love it.
Calling out socialized, gov't healthcare as unambiguously bad seems to ignore this fact.

Two thirds of medicare spending goes to treat illnesses that end up killing the patient anyway.

FIN

[BananaStand]

My grandfather was one of those people who lived on a diet of red meat, coffee, and beer for more than half century. Guess what....docs told him his ticker was fucked. They said "We can give you seven bypasses and maybe buy you 10 more years". Medicare paid.

That was in 1991. He's still alive. I'd say he got his money's worth and then some.

Since then he's done absolutely zilch to improve his quality of life. Still eats shit. Exercises less and less. Spends more and more time sitting on his ass. So in 2014, when his heart started to shit the bed again, I personally think Medicare should have told him to fuck off. "here's some morphine, go watch The Price is Right until you croak".

Instead they dropped six figures to patch up a guy who has already had one bite at the apple.

Don't tell me Medicare is working great.

[BananaStand]

People whom can't afford those early visits are costing all of us $1000's more in tax dollars for treatment costs than if we'd just put up the initial capitol to make preventative check-ups a human right. Yes, it'll cost us a lot of tax dollars to make these services available to all, but it's already costing us much more in tax dollars to deal with.

Source?

This is truly garbage posting. You should be banned for this.

You're ignoring known patterns of human behavior. People don't take care of themselves. You have to force them. People aren't skipping checkups because they can't afford it. They're skipping checkups because they don't think they need one. Even people with insurance, whose physical exams are 100% free, don't get physical exams.

Costs become a problem when you try to insure people with pre-existing conditions. Insolvency happens when you create a system where people can pay nothing until they're really sick, and then go buy insurance. I don't see how accessibility to checkups is going to change that.

In fact, if insurance companies were allowed to deny you coverage when you show up at their door demanding coverage for your pre-existing condition....you'd probably be more motivated to get your fucking checkup.

[MadMojoMonkey]

You're ignoring known patterns of human behavior. People don't take care of themselves. You have to force them. People aren't skipping checkups because they can't afford it. They're skipping checkups because they don't think they need one. Even people with insurance, whose physical exams are 100% free, don't get physical exams.

What you're describing is in addition to my point, not in exception to my point.

Yes, some people whom have insurance don't go schedule or attend regular check-ups. That is a cost that will not change.
Yes, some people whom are sick choose not to go see a doctor out of their own hubris that they know what's better for their own and public health than the trained professionals they've established relationships with. That cost will also not change.

There are people whom want to seek treatment at early stages of an illness, but whom can't afford to do so. When those people become grievously ill, the cost of treatment is much more expensive than if they'd received treatment earlier. The fact that you're asking me for a source on this is absurd. You wouldn't trust any source I posted, and it's simply common sense that if I wait until after I've infected other people to seek treatment, then those people now also need treatment. What's to even disagree with there?

[BananaStand]

What's to even disagree with there?

the implied premise of your post was that these costs were significant drivers of the rising cost of healthcare in America.

But really what you're describing is a financial nuisance, at best.

So I'm wondering what your point actually is

[BananaStand]

There are people whom want to seek treatment at early stages of an illness, but whom can't afford to do so.

You're describing the insured working class here.

You're describing people with insurance, but who can't afford the exorbitant deductibles brought about by socializing healthcare during the Obama administration.

Poor people don't have this problem. Their shit is subsidized.

This wasn't a problem for insured people before the government started fucking around with healthcare and trying to give it away to poor people who don't pay for it.

So at the very most, MMM, you're just observing that the cost of missing preemptive treatments has been transferred from one class of people, to another.

I'm not seeing how that's a net gain to healthcare costs though.