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    I mean really. Money laundering in hotels. That's the kind of stuff regular gangsters do. Presidents have much loftier ambitions.

    Corruption in government isn't about laundering dirty money, that's laughable. That's what drug dealers do, not nation state arms dealers. This is a "legitimate" trade and so there's no need to "clean" the money, the benefactors are the shareholders of the companies supplying the weapons, and shareholders of energy companies that rely on Saudi oil.

    Maybe Trump had a dirty hotel when he was a mere businessman. I wouldn't give a fuck if he did. Capitalism is a dirty world, very few get to the top without playing dirty somewhere along the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Yeah well that kind of shit is entirely baseless and is bourne out of hatred for Trump, rather than reality.
    It only seems baseless to people who don't inform themselves about all the corruption already tied to Trump. And just dismissing that as 'you hate Trump, so you assume the worst' is lame. It's more like 'Trump's showed himself to be a selfish con man cunt, that's why I hate him'.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    When people say that stopping the arms trade "will hurt us more than them", you know where the money is, and it's not a dirty hotel, which could possibly launder millions at a push, not the tens of billions that energy and weapons are worth.
    There's a problem here in that you're assuming that what's good for the US is also good for Trump. Even assuming he knows what's good for the US, there's plenty of evidence to make one think he's more interested in what's good for Trump. Just because he's president doesn't mean he suddenly became this selfless patriot.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I mean really. Money laundering in hotels. That's the kind of stuff regular gangsters do. Presidents have much loftier ambitions.
    Some might but I doubt Trump is one of them. Have you not noticed how much corruption there is surrounding him? It's about half of the people he ever hired since he started running for president that have been found guilty now lol. So, he surrounds himself with criminals but he himself is clean? Sure, whatever.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Corruption in government isn't about laundering dirty money, that's laughable. That's what drug dealers do, not nation state arms dealers. This is a "legitimate" trade and so there's no need to "clean" the money, the benefactors are the shareholders of the companies supplying the weapons, and shareholders of energy companies that rely on Saudi oil.
    I'm sure he's found better ways to make money off his position than money laundering in hotels, you're right.

    I guess you're also missing the bigger picture that his corruption depends on his playing nice with these guys. Cancel arms deal? Ok, we hit you where it hurts - your own wallet. Maybe we stop staying at your hotel when we visit Washington. Or maybe we stop giving you deals on land in our country. Or maybe we reveal your corruption to your own people. Not sure why you find it so outlandish that he could be personally beholden to these foreign countries in some way. There's plenty of evidence that he's tied up with greasy people already.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Maybe Trump had a dirty hotel when he was a mere businessman. I wouldn't give a fuck if he did. Capitalism is a dirty world, very few get to the top without playing dirty somewhere along the way.
    So suddenly you expect him to be an idealist now that he's president? So his past behaviour is not predictive of his future behaviour? He's just different from everyone else who's ever lived in that way? lol

    You're saying the US stands to win/lose billions, whereas he only stands to win/lose millions. But so what? What does he care more about, himself gaining money, or the US? I'll give you three guesses.
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