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[oskar]

Case in point: when wikileaks didn't redact the names of afghan informants.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-rights-groups

There's a lot of bad shit going on with Assange... but none of that is what they're trying to extradite him for. They're trying to get him on completely phony hacking charges related to Chelsea Manning. They want him because he exposed US war crimes. Posting videos of US soldiers sport shooting afghan civilians from a helicopter did not fly with the pentagon. He should be protected at all cost. Especially now that america has a fascist in the white house.

[OngBonga]

There's a lot of bad shit going on with Assange... but none of that is what they're trying to extradite him for. They're trying to get him on completely phony hacking charges related to Chelsea Manning.

As far as I can tell, they've stopped using the word "hacking" because now everyone knows it was Chelsea, everyone knows it's a leak, not a hack, which I was pointing out long ago while you guys mocked my source, who is currently on Team Wikileaks, preparing to defend Julian.. They're now trying to argue that he colluded with Chelsea to break into computer systems, rather than him simply acting as a conduit.

They want him because he exposed US war crimes. Posting videos of US soldiers sport shooting afghan civilians from a helicopter did not fly with the pentagon. He should be protected at all cost.

Yep and yep.

Especially now that america has a fascist in the white house.

Do you know what fascism is? Take a look at Spain, beating up grannies who tried to vote in a referendum the state declared illegal. Spain is still under the influence of Franco, long after his death. That's the closest thing we have to a fascist state in the Western world. America, sorry but nope. They can vote, they can own guns, they can protest at Trump without recriminations, which they regularly do. USA is far from fascist. There isn't a fascist in the White House, at worst it's an idiot who says dumb shit. He doesn't have enough power to be fascist, the American public wouldn't tolerate true fascism.

Don't water down terms like "fascist" to smear people whose ideology you find unappealing.

Case in point: when wikileaks didn't redact the names of afghan informants.

What would be the point? Once their names are published, it's too late. Redacting won't do anything, Lots of people immediately copy anything Wikileaks uploads, anyone who actually wanted to hurt Afghan informant will not be deterred by redaction. If it's such a problem, then USA should protect their informants. That's not Wikileaks' job.

[oskar]

What would be the point? Once their names are published, it's too late. Redacting won't do anything, Lots of people immediately copy anything Wikileaks uploads, anyone who actually wanted to hurt Afghan informant will not be deterred by redaction. If it's such a problem, then USA should protect their informants. That's not Wikileaks' job.

Maybe redact before you publish?

Trump america ticks most checkboxes of dictionary definition fascism... not that they didn't tick a lot of boxes before. It is not quite a dictatorship, but it is a false democracy. It is a clear two class society, it is an imperial power that fights for economic position through illegal wars, it supports terrorists and none of this has stopped with Trump. There are leaks of open conversations of Trump saying he wants to invade venezuala for their oil
https://www.vox.com/world/2019/2/20/...r-oil-lawrence,

he puts war criminals in charge of foreign policy,
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...raymond-bonner

but most importantly he dehumanizes immigrants daily.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...als-not-people

And it obviously doesn't matter what he is guilty of because he cannot be prosecuted since he owns the DOJ now and the SDNY cannot indict him.
I know this is an overused meme by now, but imagine for a second if Hilaries appointed head of the DOJ buried all the benghazi docs and only published a 4 page letter which is somehow not a summary but merely an opinion in his own words that Hillary is totally exonerated. Every republican's head would explode. This is not normal.

[OngBonga]

Trump america ticks most checkboxes of dictionary definition fascism... not that they didn't tick a lot of boxes before.

Let's explore this.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical, right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism,[1][2][3][4] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy,[5] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[6]

Authoritarian. Let's start with this, it's a key word with regards to fascism. How is USA more authoritative than it was under previous presidents? What laws have been passed which limits people's freedom? How is the state exerting more authority than it was?

Dictatorial? Take a look at North Korea. That's a dictatorship. Does anyone in politics or the press challenge the Authority of Kim? If they do, they die. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not happening in USA. From where I'm sitting, Trump is relentlessly being challenged. He is not a dictator, again you're incorrectly using powerful words to describe leaders you don't like.

Forcible oppression of opposition... nope. Well, with two notable exceptions... Chelsea and Julian.

Regimentation? That's strict control of behaviour. North Korea, not USA.

Ultranationalism... maybe this box is ticked, but it's the only one.

Trump is not a fascist.

[OngBonga]

It is not quite a dictatorship, but it is a false democracy.

Most democracies are false. The one we have certainly is. We're still in the fucking EU.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Most democracies are false. The one we have certainly is. We're still in the fucking EU.

America is not, by and large, "a democracy," rather it's a democratic republic.
By and large, we do not vote on our laws; we vote for the people who vote for us.
By and large, we do not vote for our civil officials; we vote for the people who appoint those officials.

[OngBonga]

America is not, by and large, "a democracy," rather it's a democratic republic.
By and large, we do not vote on our laws; we vote for the people who vote for us.
By and large, we do not vote for our civil officials; we vote for the people who appoint those officials.

This describes most "democracies". Switzerland is the only exception I can immediately think of.

[OngBonga]

Do you mean because they realized all of their options were shit, and so put off leaving the EU? That's the simplest explanation.

Leaving without a deal is a better option than the shitfest we're being served up.

Another not-so-subtle point is that public opinion has shifted towards Remain once people became educated on how bad economically leaving the EU would be.

I doubt it. Remember how the polls told everyone how Clinton would win and we'd vote to remain? Biased press. Leave will win another referendum, if it happens, which it shouldn't and won't.

"But, hurr durr we had a referendum 3 years ago that Leave barely won and nothing else matters." This refrain is really dumb. it's like saying we had an election a few years ago and so no-one can ever change their minds and vote for a different party now - the die is cast.

Referenda are expensive and divisive. You don't keep having them. Are you in favour of Scotland having another vote this year?How about in another three years? How about they keep voting until they vote "yes" and then stop voting? Is that your idea of democracy?

Brexit is not an inevitable outcome of a non-binding referendum.

Of course it's inevitable, and of course the referendum is binding, at least in the real sense if not legal. If we don't leave, the Tories will not win an election for a long time. That's surely scarier than leaving the EU, isn't it? I'm no fan of the Tories, but a decade or two of socialist Labour isn't particularly appealing.

Leaving without a deal is a great deal more likely than Brexit being cancelled.

[Poopadoop]

Most democracies are false. The one we have certainly is. We're still in the fucking EU.

Do you mean because they realized all of their options were shit, and so put off leaving the EU? That's the simplest explanation.

Another not-so-subtle point is that public opinion has shifted towards Remain once people became educated on how bad economically leaving the EU would be.

"But, hurr durr we had a referendum 3 years ago that Leave barely won and nothing else matters." This refrain is really dumb. it's like saying we had an election a few years ago and so no-one can ever change their minds and vote for a different party now - the die is cast.

Brexit is not an inevitable outcome of a non-binding referendum.

[OngBonga]

it is an imperial power that fights for economic position through illegal wars

Imperial does not mean fascist.

it supports terrorists and none of this has stopped with Trump.

Agreed, but again, not fascism.

There are leaks of open conversations of Trump saying he wants to invade venezuala for their oil

Please learn the difference between fascism and imperialism.

but most importantly he dehumanizes immigrants daily

Not fascism.