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 Originally Posted by oskar
Meanwhile Ong is worried about fish & chips.
I'm not worried about fish and chips, I'm concerned about people's livelihoods. I couldn't give a fuck about Polish sausage being sold on Oxford Street.
Originally Posted by poop
Show me actual proof that this policy has hurt UK fishing AND that this outweighs the benefits of the common market.
True colours shown here, socialist. So if you send me £600 a month, I promise to stop claiming benefits. That means it's a net gain for the economy, even though it's obviously a net loss for you. So you should do it, just like fishermen in Grimsby should accept EU quotas for the benefit of whoever the fuck it is that is actually better off thanks to the EU. People who work in the City I guess.
For one, fisheries have been in decline for > 100 years.
So? It's in even more decline than it should be. That's because a lot of fish from British waters are not being sold at British markets.
For another, NE England has been poor relative to the South for much longer than the EU has been around.
True. But you seem to think this means that the EU is not making them poorer. If they are poorer, then they should be supported, not abandoned.
One thing you can trust is for people to make better decisions the better informed they are. People are now better informed than they were 3 years ago; that's why another referendum makes sense.
It doesn't make sense. It would be political, economic and social madness, more so than what we're witnessing. And, like I said yet you completely ignored, the EU will not tolerate indefinite uncertainty, it is not practical to keep voting on this issue. It might make sense in your undemocratic world, but in mine we have made a decision and we must accept it, whether we think it is right or not.
Oh, you don't like it when people twist your words to make it sound worse than what you intended? Don't do it to other people then.
The referendum reflected social division. It doesn't cause it anymore than an election does.
There's an element of truth to this, but at the same time the referendum amplified that social division. More so than elections do. I can't ever remember an election causing this much division.
The problem is that a 52/48 split is hardly an overwhelming majority.
It doesn't matter. It is a majority. You once again imply that you do not subscribe to democracy.
And unless you have a clear majority you shouldn't start fucking around with things that most of the voters didn't really understand when they voted the first time anyways.
So in your democratic world, 60% is the winning line for referenda? What if it's 59.99%? Is that no longer a clear enough majority for you?
According to who? The referendum where Russian soldiers watched the people vote? Yea that was fair.
They speak Russian. Their culture is Russian. They are historically Russian. It's a lot easier for me to believe a region of Russian speakers would vote in a referendum to become part of Russia, than it is to believe they prefer to remain part of Ukraine, who were treating them as second class citizens because they spoke Russian and identified with Russian culture. If you think they were actually coerced into it against their true will, you've been seduced by anti Russian propaganda.
You'd have said the same to me if we had this discussion in 1995, and I said they were moving towards a common currency. That happened. Fortunately we managed to stay the fuck away from that.
The EU is a superstate, it is not an economic bloc like it used to be. It exerts authority over a great deal more things than economics. It would be nice if you knew this, considering you're trying to patronise me about the EU.
Yeah, cause obviously I'm not to going to get any from you lol.
I did my research when I was considering my vote. I'm not here to spoon feed you. If you want to understand why people voted to leave, do your research. If you can't be bothered or don't give a fuck, stop treating people who voted to leave like they are stupid and made a mistake, and instead accept the democratic will of the people.
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